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There's been alot of back and forth on the forums between people outraged about the game and people trying to defend TW. I make this post as someone who bought Warband 3 months after its release, fell in love with it, played it for 700+ hours, played all the DLCs and Expansions (With Fire and Sword is unironically amazing), and have cared more about this game more than almost any other game in my life and for 10 years of my life. It's almost impossible to make a sequel that lives up to the original and even though I'm frustrated about the lack of content I get that it's Early Access and I expected it would need work.

It's relatively easy to forgive someone's mistake when there's a clear explanation. If someone makes you a house and there's a weird problem where if you turn on the 3rd floor shower and flush the basement toilet you can say "Oh well that's weird but I'm not necessarily angry at the guy because that's so hard to catch". However, if someone makes you a house and they put your bathroom doorknob on wrong so that the button that locks is on the outside and the keyhole is on the inside making it very probable you will lock yourself in, moreso than the defect itself it's infuriating that the guy either was so incompetent or just gave such little ****s that he didn't catch and correct that glaring error (this is actually something that happened to me).

Bannerlord feels like a bathroom door that has its doorknob screwed on the wrong way. There are bugs and issues that when you think about it the most basic of playtesting would have discovered. Something like the fact that archers don't fire in night battles or in woods until the enemy is point blank range is something it would have taken one or two batte tests to discover yet somehow it flew under the radar for a 3 year development cycle (to be fair to them I am only counting the time after they had built the engine and even then it's still unexcusable) and made it into the version they sold us for 50 dollars. The savegame corruption bug is even worse. If you've ever done an in-depth playtest of a game you know that save-scumming incredibly often is not just encouraged but mandatory. You need to be savescumming constantly and examining what every possible course of action does and if it works. Even one proper playtest of this game would have revealed that savegame corruption bug way faster than our playthroughs as buyers. If Taleworlds was ignorant of this issue it shows that they didn't test their game at all before releasing it. If they did know about it then they knowingly released a literally broken and unplayable game to the world and charged $50 for it. I'm not sure I can tell which is worse.

I'm gonna keep playing Bannerlord because I love this franchise way too much to put it down and I have hope that with the community reaction has lit enough of a fire under Taleworlds' ass to properly finish their game but there is no defense for the state of this game. Early Access doesn't cut it when there are flaws that can only be chalked up to either incompetence or intentional deception and i'd be lying if I said that this release has not shaken my trust in TW to some degree.
 
My thoughs and concerns, exactly. It's pretty safe to say that, in the 8 years cycle, TW has put no(or very few) resources on play testing or on AI development. 8 years !!! Instead of paying people to test their game, they chose to charge people for it. I am (not so sure anymore) a fan of the serie. Warband is perhaps my favorite game of all time...yet I feel so angry and cheated right now. I don't understand how a company can give itself the luxury of spending sooooo much time and yet achieve so little with it. Let's be honest, this is Mount and blades, all the foundations were there, all the lore was there...what were they doing all this time ? I can't stop feeling very afraid for this studio's future. I cannot forsee it achieve anything on a normal gaming industry timeframe. They either have very few to no talented employee, are extremely poorly managed or are not very honest. These are harsh words but how else can you explain the state of this product if you take into consideration time spent in development ? Whatever the answer, it does not bode well for the future fanbase of the serie. I'm not saying the game is trash, I am probably going to play it alot, I was just expecting so much more, after 8 years.
 
Everything about this feels rushed, even for early access. Especially after all the beta testing and years of play testing like you stated. What I worry about now is if they'll keep adding new systems to the game or if what is already in the game is the extent of it. Imagine a Mount and Blade experience without real diplomacy, intrigue, feasts and so on and so on...
 
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Now, call me crazy but personally, I think they released way earlier than they should have because they knew a record number of people are locked in their homes and on unemployment. Everything about this feels rushed, even for early access. Especially after all the beta testing and years of play testing like you stated. What I worry about now is if they'll keep adding new systems to the game or if what is already in the game is the extent of it. Imagine a Mount and Blade experience without real diplomacy, intrigue, feasts and so on and so on...
I really hope this isn't the extent of it. I myself love the clan system and want to see it improve and be build upon.

But I do agree with all of you guys, I love the idea of this game yet everything seems incomplete. And I mean everything.
Also why do we have to have a loading screen for every single lord we talk too after combat?
 
I really hope this isn't the extent of it.

It probably isn't, but hey, that's what I would do given the circumstances. Then just work my ASS off later to make up for it. Hopefully they have that same attitude.

Also why do we have to have a loading screen for every single lord we talk too after combat?

I actually saw an interesting thread on this. People recommended instead of it loading into an actual scene with generated bits and bobs that all of that stuff should just appear in a window instead, just like Stellaris or something of that nature. You could have your cake and eat it too, without a loading screen! It does drive me crazy to bounce through all of those pointless loading screens. Even with an SSD it's annoying and time consuming. Btw, has anyone else here noticed how much longer the loading screens take to load as the game goes on? I keep having to save and restart the application just so I don't get 6 seconds of hang time every time I want to see how much fish I have in my inventory. There must be some kind of memory leak somewhere...
 
Btw, has anyone else here noticed how much longer the loading screens take to load as the game goes on? I keep having to save and restart the application just so I don't get 6 seconds of hang time every time I want to see how much fish I have in my inventory. There must be some kind of memory leak somewhere...
I definitely know what you're talking about. At first load screens probably lasted 2 seconds if that for me but it was later going on 10 seconds, which was really annoying when I decided to cheat and attack the biggest army for funnies. And I had to talk to like 10-13ish lords with 10 second loading screens.
 
I definitely know what you're talking about. At first load screens probably lasted 2 seconds if that for me but it was later going on 10 seconds, which was really annoying when I decided to cheat and attack the biggest army for funnies. And I had to talk to like 10-13ish lords with 10 second loading screens.
You poor soul. I feel for you after getting similar load screens save scumming tournaments in early game hahaha. Press escape, 3 seconds to bring up the menu, hit load wait 15 seconds, then the loading screen.... Ridiculous. But hey, that's what $40 gets you
 
It's not even released your buying a beta. I'm surprised it wasn't worse tbh most early access games on steam never get out of that phase or just die. They probably needed cash to develop the game further. Let's just be glad we're getting hot fixes as fast as we are and play testing is expensive and humans don't play the way they always intend coding isn't easy. Not entirely happy with the bugs but eh I knew what I signed up for
 
They probably needed cash to develop the game further.

I was actually just thinking that they released this because there is a record number of people on unemployment all at home right now....

I'm actually not incredibly disappointed by what they've accomplished so far in the game. With that being said I AM worried about the future of it all. It just seems like it's...barren...? The systems that they do have in place right now I like, or at least I like the idea of them because they're all broken at the moment. What I'm more worried about is if this is all we're going to be getting and all future DLC will just be extra factions and stuff like that. There simply just needs to be more systems and events and diplomacy and a better economy and the ability to roleplay, oh and intrigue too and on and on we go...

You mix this with TW's history of not listening to their own fanbase and well, it just makes me nervous is all because of how much I've loved the M&B series so far. I know it's early access but that's exactly why I'm worried. I've seen so many early access games premier with amazing potential only for it to be released with nothing extra inside of it.

I mean...THEY TOOK OUT FEASTS MAN, AREN'T YOU WORRIED!?
 
Now, call me crazy but personally, I think they released way earlier than they should have because they knew a record number of people are locked in their homes and on unemployment. Everything about this feels rushed, even for early access. Especially after all the beta testing and years of play testing like you stated. What I worry about now is if they'll keep adding new systems to the game or if what is already in the game is the extent of it. Imagine a Mount and Blade experience without real diplomacy, intrigue, feasts and so on and so on...

You do realize the March 31st release date was announced way before corona virus was even a known thing, right?

I'm getting pretty tired of seeing so much hysteria from people over this.

Is it reasonable to expect that the game would have been a little less buggy after the long development cycle? Yes.
Is it reasonable that the devs very openly stated that this is Early Access and even advised people not to buy it if they didn't want to experience bugs, and to wait for the full release instead? Also Yes.

Is it reasonable to be disappointed? Perhaps.
Is it reasonable to go into hysteria over the matter? Depends on your life priorities.
 
You do realize the March 31st release date was announced way before corona virus was even a known thing, right?

I'm getting pretty tired of seeing so much hysteria from people over this.

Is it reasonable to expect that the game would have been a little less buggy after the long development cycle? Yes.
Is it reasonable that the devs very openly stated that this is Early Access and even advised people not to buy it if they didn't want to experience bugs, and to wait for the full release instead? Also Yes.

Is it reasonable to be disappointed? Perhaps.
Is it reasonable to go into hysteria over the matter? Depends on your life priorities.
Nobody's in hysterics over here and we all understand that it's an early access game. Thank you for your input.
 
I was being very forgiving until the save corruption bug became an issue. At least up until that point the core game play was functional, you can recruit guys, fight battles, join factions and take castles. That's all they really needed to do to please people, at least for a few weeks until quests could be patched and a few more things could be added to the game. They couldn't even do that though, they couldn't even make it through the better part of a week until the game ceased to function. They say you should never attribute to malice that which can easily be explained by incompetence but in this case I really don't know.
 
I doubt they ever did a single play test past the 60 day mark. You'd have to be blind or mentally challenged to not have seen the issues this game has if you've played it any longer than that.
 
I doubt they ever did a single play test past the 60 day mark. You'd have to be blind or mentally challenged to not have seen the issues this game has if you've played it any longer than that.
It's to the point where I think they saw all of it, got sidetracked with other stuff or didn't care, then just released it anyways.
 
I am pretty sure that they did not do much in depth play testing. They could have, and then the game would have been released in another 3 to 4 years. Would that have been preferable? I am not persuaded.

It is also much easier to find all the bugs when you have a large playerbase testing your product. Can you imagine how many hours of testing it would have taken to have data comparable to what they are receiving now from us?

I would take issue with this if they were just ignoring the problems, but from what I am seeing they are working to fix them (e.g., the save corruption bug). Admittedly some more communication on the forum would be nice.
 
Honestly you have no one to blame but yourself when a developer put on the store page that ****s not gonna work the way you expect and you should probably expect to lose save games also, then it’s on you buddy. their actual recommendation is to not buy if you want a complete game. Wait to buy the game. it’s an early access from a small studio so to expect anything other than that is entitlement. they warned you and told you flat out. if you didn’t read that’s your fault. As if Ark survival evolved was any better. I think certainly wasn’t. Helluva game though. Post what bugs you can. Hope they fix it.
 
I love m&b franchise but i won't be playing this pile of trash until it's in actually playable state. No fanboyism from me.
 
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