Istanbul? - Konstantinopolis? - Byzantium?
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ancalimon said:
You see, here's exactly what you do wrong: ignore that Spanish comes from Latin...
Palabra comes from Parabola, a Greek word meaning "Thrown beyond" or "Thrown outside". Latin adapted its meaning into "ramble", in the word "paraula". "To speak" is derivate of this word in most of Romance languages. Hablar, Parlar, Parler, Falar, etc.
ancalimon said:
That is what first Christians believed, according to their first records. Later on, the more Roman-like theology of Christ as a Demigod, half God half man, very Grecorroman alike, triumphed.
Merlkir
ancalimon said:
The saga is from the 13th century and while it's supposedly a compilation of older sagas, it's impossible to determine what's original and what's a later addition, without the aid of said compiled sagas.
It is believed to be an account of a gothic conflict, possibly with the Huns and it's more fantasy than history, as this account was written down nearly 900 years after the event.
(It's like the historical fantasy of today - hardly you'd assume that whatever you read in a modern book about King Arthur is a true account of events from the 5th century.)
Just as with Snorri Sturluson's (whom you meant by the saga collector I think) Yngling saga, also written in the 13th century, this idea of the gods being in fact men is an invention of the author. A way to explain the legends of the past and get rid of the old god once and for all. (Sweden was long christian by that time)
As I told you before, Thor Heyerdahl tried use to the Yngling saga before and was thoroughly debunked.
It's interesting, but this is not the proof you need to present.
Merlkir
ancalimon said:
fixed that fahr ya.
Indeed. "A sounds very similar to B" is a very popular "argument" among non-specialists (or even pseudo-specialists) today. So, let's see - we have a town called Burgas in Bulgaria and one called Burgos in Spain - then we're clearly related with the Spaniards. We also have a town called Varna here (incidentaly, the main "competitor" of Burgas) and there was also an area called Varna in Sweden (mentioned in the Heimskringla) - then we're clearly related with the Swedes as well. Then we have this map, with a bunch of similar sounding locations between Bulgaria, ancient Bactria and inbetween - then we're obviously related to the Bactrians as well. Well, actually, we are - we're all humans.
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Nodscouter
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Fixed.NikeBG said:
Nodscouter
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And then we magically transformed into other people? You've changed your ''theory'' then?
Nodscouter said:
Not magically. Paul (Soul) and/or Konstantin made a plan in which Turkic life was converted into a religion which made the clergy superior people. They gained control of Turks and made them like puppets; slaves. They than started creating a wall of people between Turks who they couldn't control due to logistic reasons to accelerate the process of making slaves out of free Turks. They changed everything about those people, way of life,language,alphabet because they were already experienced from converting Ancient Turks into Ancient Greeks (thus creating another dark ages dilemma in which so called ancient Greeks forgot how to read and write for 200 years) they gained control of Russians and the Russians started converting Turks using similar games (they made the Hay people steal the identity of Armenians who were Turkic thus further hiding the true story of world and Christianity)
Merlkir
Sounds less plausible than Jesus rising from the dead. And that's coming from an atheist.
Merlkir said:
continuing from a more recent past:
The game of the clergy backfired (the only thing they achieved was making Western people think they were different from Turks living in a different made-up continent bound to values which they wrongly thought was result of the made-up Christianity and "evil" clergy and they didn't even intend to do something like this... Still the clergy have their own country in Italy.). Because the Turkic way of life found another path into heart of West. They lost their power and in this process, people of the West started to gain their freedom and awareness. They became the most aware, free people of our world. At these times, Turks in Asia were being assaulted by yet another evil after made-up Christianity. The clergy and army of Islam. Millions of Turks were slaughtered in the name of Allah by soldiers who couldn't even read the first passage in Quran....
More recent past:
Ataturk saw everything and ended "caliphate" If a holy war started between Christianity and Islam, only humans would have suffered. Humans didn't need a religion all they needed was freedom.
"The way of life" thing (I think) was all about logistics. Geography changes peoples needs and the way they think. Turks in Anatolia think differently than Turks in Siberia. Turks in Europe thought differently than Turks in Anatolia. If there is a way for you to have more, you want more. If there isn't you need to share and cooperate. As technology advanced and people gained control of Earth more and more, needs changed. "the way of life" was used as a tool to play God. The cross made people bend to slavery.
Demonwolf
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ancalimon said:
You're wrong, Ancalimon.
First off, your whole theory is wrong. It's too much stupidity that explaining will not suffice. Turks are Turks. Greeks did not copy Turks. Anagrams and word-play do not mean that they are connected.
Two, Muslims are not wicked and bloodthirsty maniacs as they are portrayed in bull**** propaganda. Muslims did NOT slaughter Turks, the Turks themselves converted, and it is a Muslim's duty to learn the Qur'an, so yes, they can read the Qur'an. How else can they pray FIVE times a day?
Four, stop reading all of those nonsensical sites, just because there are sites like that in the internetz, it doesn't mean you should believe it, and certainly do NOT post it in forums. Do your research before you even have a hint of faith in all those nonsensical "facts".
I probably should say more but I'll leave the rest to my fellow forumites.
Merlkir
just btw, isn't it possible (and indeed encouraged in many muslim schools, especially in poor regions) to memorize the Qu'ran? (without being able to read it in arabic)
Merlkir said:
Turks in Turkey are exactly doing it. They don't know what they read. They are sent to "Kuran Kursu" and they memorize reading it in Arabic. They have no idea what they are reading. One of my friend's dad told me something once. (They were Kurds) He went to a mosque with a Kurd from Iraq (who spoke Arabic as motherlanguage and Turkish as second language as Kurds couldn't speak Kurdish properly). There the hodja was reading a passge from Quran and many Turks were crying hysterically. The Iraqi Kurd started laughing hysterically in the Mosque and they were kicked out of the Mosque for being disrespectful. My friends dad asked the other Kurd why the hell he did it and he answered. "The hodja was reading the passage in which God ordered man not to have sex with their wifes when their wifes were on their menstrual. When people started crying, I thought they were crying because they despaired that they weren't allowed to f*ck their wifes.
Usually things written in Quran are archaic Turkic traditions. For example it orders Muslims to wash their body with water or sand. People think it's because it would clean their body. It's not that. It's a Turkic tradition. It's to purify body from negative energy either with water, earth or smoke depending on the conditions of climate and geography.
@Demonwolf:
I'm not saying Muslims are evil. I'm saying the Muslims who set out on a war to make Turks accept Islam were bloodthirsty murderers and rapists who couldn't read the first passage in Quran. The Turks converted to Islam with a bloody genocide. Adn to think that Islam and Christianity and Judaism are the results of Turkic philosophy reaching different lands via Turkic ruling families.
Demonwolf
Knight
Merlkir said:
But it is not easy to memorize it. Heck, even I can't memorize it. Usually people learn the Arabic alphabet and thus be able to read, although not able to understand, thus fulfilling the category.
ancalimon said:Turks in Turkey are exactly doing it. They don't know what they read. They are sent to "Kuran Kursu" and they memorize reading it in Arabic. They have no idea what they are reading. One of my friend's dad told me something once. (They were Kurds) He went to a mosque with a Kurd from Iraq (who spoke Arabic as motherlanguage and Turkish as second language as Kurds couldn't speak Kurdish properly). There the hodja was reading a passge from Quran and many Turks were crying hysterically. The Iraqi Kurd started laughing hysterically in the Mosque and they were kicked out of the Mosque for being disrespectful. My friends dad asked the other Kurd why the hell he did it and he answered. "The hodja was reading the passage in which God ordered man not to have sex with their wifes when their wifes were on their menstrual. When people started crying, I thought they were crying because they despaired that they weren't allowed to f*ck their wifes.
Usually things written in Quran are archaic Turkic traditions. For example it orders Muslims to wash their body with water or sand. People think it's because it would clean their body. It's not that. It's a Turkic tradition. It's to purify body from negative energy either with water, earth or smoke depending on the conditions of climate and geography.
@Demonwolf:
I'm not saying Muslims are evil. I'm saying the Muslims who set out on a war to make Turks accept Islam were bloodthirsty murderers and rapists who couldn't read the first passage in Quran. The Turks converted to Islam with a bloody genocide. Adn to think that Islam and Christianity and Judaism are the results of Turkic philosophy reaching different lands via Turkic ruling families.
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Explained above.
Whaa... That is nonsense. Washing has existed ever since the dawn of mankind. And sand is due to the fact that water is rare in the desert. And no, there is no such thing as negative energy. And you say that's from the Turks? That's Chinese.
Well hell no they weren't. Where did you hear such nonsense? The Turks themselves converted (Oghuz ring a bell?) and in fact formed the Seljuq Empire, a great Islamic empire stretching from Anatolia to Central Asia.
And no, I must deny your fool notion that everything came from the Turks.
To add humour to this, I must say that everything is not from the Turks, but from China. It has 4,000 years of continuous history, one of the oldest civilizations in the world. They were one of the few who invented writing. They brought Silk to the West. They even realized that the world was round before the West. Look, Chinese food is everywhere. The people are everywhere. There's a theory that they even landed in the Americas before everyone else. And last of all, look at your daily products. All are made in China.
