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Is Mythology the turth disguised as a Tale? or a Tale to disguise a Turth?
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!!noice!! said:
Check your sources again. Those are ancient signs and the "ND" "NT" letter in old Turkic runes
The trident, bird like sign is iç ıç
If you are clever enough with enough knowledge, you'll be able to explain any unknown using Turkic runes and tamgas.
Whoever gave that name and shape to the treaty knew about the Turkic tradition of drinking a promise and signing a treaty with blood
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Idola Fori
What a luck in phonetics
that phones itself are limited
to relatively small numbers
thus we often can find relations
in much famed languages of our ancestors
where all what is related
is based on our desire
to find such correlation.
Good luck
Easily shaped Sire
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Idola Fori
What a luck in phonetics
that phones itself are limited
to relatively small numbers
thus we often can find relations
in much famed languages of our ancestors
where all what is related
is based on our desire
to find such correlation.
Good luck
Easily shaped Sire
SootShade said:
You simply don't get it!
Those are recorded on Orkhon Inscriptions. They are Turkic runes. The more I check my sources, the more I'm convinced that they exist.
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Connections.
Turkic leaders made wars among each other for power.
Turk leaders dropped their blood in a cup of Kımız and raised it in the air (the NT, ND tamga which means ANT: peace, treaty, promise)
They shouted BİZ, BİZE (US, TO US) before drinking. That's how the word "peace" came to life.
The word "piece" is connected to the Turkic tamga which is called the peace sign today.. Also "bit" is a Turkic word.
The Turkic tamga for İÇ (drink) is the peace sign in universal culture of the world.
So the Turkic drinking sign is the peace sign.
So the Turkic making a treaty sign is another peace sign.
So the word peace is the same as the Turkic word for "TO US: BİZ" which they shouted to celebrate their new found peace treaty.
The 25th Turkic tamga is a cup holding the blood of the three Turks that made peace.
.........
The question is why are Turks condemned and overlooked?
The Hittites are considered Indo-European because "wada" means "water" in their language.
Actually it was first deciphered as haku. European linguists said that over time it turned to "hawk" and then "aqua" and then "water"
AQUA is a pure Turkic word. AKUVVA:AKIYO Which means it is liquid thus it flows. It's OQ-MAK **-MAK.
It is related to QOVA (Aquarius)
Ocean is another word derived from Turkic OQ-**
Sea is another word derived from Turkic SU: water
Aqua is simply more related to Turkic "AKIYO" than "WATER"
translated sluggishly from the book "Ataturk and the Hidden History of Turks" by Sinan Meydan
Merlkir
And we're back to half truths (the Hittites are considered IE NOT ONLY because of one word similarity. That'd be doing linguistics ancalimon style.) and non-existant proto turkic words made up from convenient syllables full of special meaning, sometimes even five of them.
Because people like you are annoying as hell?
Because people like you are annoying as hell?
AWdeV
Duke
Overlooked? Not hardly, they're always jumping up and down shouting: "I'M HERE, I'M GREAT, PICK ME, PICK ME, PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEE" on the internet.
Oddly enough, they're also condemned for that.
Nationalists are always a silly lot but nationalists who rape-murder history, linguistics and common sense time and time again are the absolute most annoying. And it's almost always Turks in my experience. With some Koreans here and there. (Not saying all Turks and/or Koreans and whatevers are nationalistic morons, but if they are nationalistic morons with everything aforementioned then it's generally one of the usual suspects.)
'sides, I don't know why you feel the need to glorify your country so damn much. It's pretty cool geoghrapically and historically.
Oddly enough, they're also condemned for that.
Nationalists are always a silly lot but nationalists who rape-murder history, linguistics and common sense time and time again are the absolute most annoying. And it's almost always Turks in my experience. With some Koreans here and there. (Not saying all Turks and/or Koreans and whatevers are nationalistic morons, but if they are nationalistic morons with everything aforementioned then it's generally one of the usual suspects.)
'sides, I don't know why you feel the need to glorify your country so damn much. It's pretty cool geoghrapically and historically.
Anarion said:
I would call that a chance similarity if the words only were used for a single meaning. Unfortunately you don't know Turkic enough to know that these words have many different meanings and forms which are interrelated. This automatically renders the chance factor invalid. The only obstacle that stops a common root language (which is Turkic) is historical accuracy factor, because according history and science, Turks came from Orion during the 5th century and decided to conquer Asia and East Europe and North Africa using their advanced sticks which were produced with Orion ore in Arabic workshops (since Turks could only weave huts). I suggest that Turks ruled the world and not Orion and every single one of us were given civilization by the Turks and we were made Turks by them. Some of us stopped being Turks, some of us didn't.
Merlkir
... said Ancalimon, failing to be funny and once again proving he has no idea what his "opponents" actually think and have loads of evidence for.
Merlkir said:
Is it so hard to understand that those Turkic letters were developed by Turks themselves, they had an extremely advanced writing system for someone who had just started writing, and they were like hieroglyphs which actually meant what they showed. The Turks didn't learn how to write from anyone. They taught how to write to other people. These were pictures with a meaning in Turkic. Latin alphabet, Viking runes, Arabic... They all derived from Turks.
Also Sumerian is a dialect of Turkic. It's already proven and accepted. (actually it's accepted what Turkish is a dialect of Sumerian as of today, but that will chance once history is repaired)
Sumerian Evidence: Turkic-Sumerian Cognates from Dr. Osman Nedim Tuna (These are only the proven ones. More than 500 remains to be proven as of today.)
http://listserv.linguistlist.org/cgi-bin/wa?A3=ind0308&L=language&P=2828626&E=2&B=--------------050000000408020202070501&N=Sumerian-Tuna.pdf&T=application%2Fpdf
http://www.tdkdergi.gov.tr/TDA/1989/1989_7_Tuna.pdf
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/42TurkicAndSumer/SumerLanguageContentsEn.htm
M. Zakiev Origin of Türks - Sumerian Language
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/42TurkicAndSumer/ZakievGenesisSumersEn.htm
A. Amanjolov Sumer-Türkic Accordances And Graphic Logograms
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/31Alphabet/Amanjolov/AmanjolovSumerEn.htm
G.H.FraserTengri, Khuday, Deos and God
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/50Religion/TengriKhudayDeosGodEn.htm
Sumerian and Karachai-Balkarian Türkic
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/SumerLanguageEn.htm
О.Suleimenov Sumerian-Türkic Phonetics And Morphology
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/42TurkicAndSumer/SuleimenovSumerMorphologyEn.htm
О.Suleimenov Sumerian Swadesh Words list
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/42TurkicAndSumer/SuleimenovSumerSwadeshWords.htm
Akkadian called Sumerian
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/SumerDictionaryEn.htm
C.Winters Ph.D Black Turanians of Messopotamia
http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/42TurkicAndSumer/WintersBlackMessopotamiansEn.htm
http://storm.ca/~cm-tntr/sumer_turk1of5.html
Merlkir
That doesn't prove anything. Slavs started writing in their own language when an alphabet was constructed for them and it was pretty advanced.
Also hieroglyphs meaning what the show are not advanced, they're primitive. Again, if you knew anything about writing, you'd know this.
As for Sumerians, the only people I see claiming they were turks are Turks and nutter sensationalists (a black nationalist even, some of his other "articles" are quite sensational as well. Bloody crazy even.).
There is quite possibly a connection, but as always, there isn't just one cause for one effect. Which is something you fail to grasp over and over.
Anyways. You mistake a culture that has developed or changed very little for some kind of original culture, a mother culture to all others. Just because the Turks are stuck in a place which everyone else left some two three thousand years ago doesn't make them the übermensch.
Merlkir said:
I'm saying that it was not the first time Turks were using an alphabet, and I'm saying that this alphabet was not derived from another alphabet. It's an home brewed one.
In its primitive form, the shapes meant what they showed. Later they became letters.
Like the world wide accepted cultural heritage "peace signs" example. They are Turkic letters and related to peace and drinking in Turkic. And drinking and making peace are related in Turkic.
Merlkir
ancalimon said:
Proof that any alphabet before was turkic and used by Turks? None.
Proof that Turks made it up? None.
You've been told repeatedly that the peace sign is a modern construct. That's like claiming the Eiffel tower is an ancient turkic building, you nut.
Merlkir said:
It is not!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Turkic_scriptThose semaphores are disguises. They are clipped from Turkic letters. They are parts of Turkic letters.
Turkic N rune:
Cut the arms from N.. Cut the upper part from D.. There you go.. ND: The peace sign from semaphores which are stolen from Turkic letters.. Conveniently ND also means peace in Turkish too!
Even the word somaphore is from Turkic "SOM" meaning "filled, not empty, pure, pure ore, honest"
The Turki "ND, NT : treaty" and pouring their own blood to the drink and drinking it proved that the words were not empty words. They were pure honest words. They sealed treaties with blood thus soul.
An example out of many: SOMUT: something which is clearly truth, real, evident.. Certainty
The Turkic signs are SOM signs. They speak the truth.
By the way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Grail
"San greal" is not "holy grail" and it was not used by Jesus during the last supper. It's "Son Kurul": "The last council"... or maybe "Nt Kurul": "the peace council"
Here you are the ancient peace signs...
Ant means: a promise, a blood brother, to make peace treaty, ...
Also this means 13:THIRTEEN:ONÜÇ
Also ON means "eternal, universal"
Also when the sign on the right lowers its arms, it becomes "KHACH":"HAÇ":"THE CROSS"
When you put the cross inside the circle, you get "TRINITY-ETERNITY-SUN-CROSS"
The peace sign on the right is "İÇ
RINK" and "İÇ:INSİDE, THE UNSEEN INNER PART, SOUL"The peace sign on the right is also OĞ - OW (the same sounds) in Proto-Turkic. It's a very special sound. In this context, it represents the movement of soul and/or liquid to Tengri-God. The English word "SOUL" is derived from Turkic "OĞ" and "İÇ" sign on the right.
The P.Gmc. *saiwalo is derived from Turkic SAĞOL , SAWOL which means: "to live,to be alive, to be eternal like water(soul)" and we use the word today to thank people or we say be holy&saint like water
It's also related to SAL:boat which represents soul being hanged to Upper-Middle and Under worlds. The soul hangs (ASILI) like a (SAL)boat. The soul comes from the water. Thus water and soul are one. OW-OĞ. Hence P.Gmc *saiwaz (sea) is derived from Turkic "SU: (water)".
OĞLU>ULU>HOLY: This is how the word changed over time. "OĞLU" means "filled with OĞ" meaning filled with holiness, greatness, highness, soul.. The Turks called apocalypse "OĞLUKÜN" meaning "the holy, great day", "the beautiful day", "the just day"... Erlik (God of Underworld) will pull the strings of souls of people to evil. Ülgen (God of Upperword) will pull the strings of souls to good.
For example the word "YOĞURT" is related to this sign. It's "liquid leaving matter and the solid part remaining".
It's also related to "SU:WATER". Water is derived from Turkic OĞ. OĞ>WA >OĞDUR>WATER Oğdur: "It's OĞ"
SOĞULDU>SOĞUDU: It became cold (because it got higher) : COLD ... Another pure Turkic word with a wanderlust.
Turkic "OĞ" is also one of the elements that made the "SWASTIKA" word.
It's also related to "BREAD":"EKMEK" and also "WHEAT:BUĞDAY" (as you can tell from the shape and "OĞ" sound) and also "KNEAD:YOĞ"
It also represents praying to Tengri-God which is called ALGIŞ. The sign also exists in Elder Viking Runes and is called ALGIŞ there as well.
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So.. Something holy.. Eating bread... Drinking blood... making Peace... Everything makes sense to me. I hope it would to other people as well.
Merlkir
Of course it is. Why wouldn't it be.
Care to enlighten us what it was? And possibly how you know?
Care to enlighten us what it was? And possibly how you know?
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