Irish banners still inaccurate

[hraktuus]

https://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,307553.msg7542361.html#msg7542361

I made that post well over a year ago, a year before the true final version came out. I'm playing 1.13 right now, and... I have to say I'm very disappointed that this issue was never fixed. I was making a relevant point about the historical accuracy of the Irish banners, and it seems like I was completely ignored. This means the newest version of the mod still has the wrong banners for O'Neill and McCarthy, even though they had the correct banners in older versions (like 0.97). The red hand with the green background is especially irksome, as no one ever had that coat of arms, and it is showing up all over Europe on knights that wear green cloth or ride horses with the same.

Looks like my temporary fix for that problem will have to be a permanent fix for my own version unless I or someone else wants to take the time to correct the banners.

The mod still has all of the things that make it great. It's still an absolute blast to play, and it seems like many of the issues that were in older version have been dealt with. But it is very disappointing to see a relevant problem just completely ignored, even more so since this mod has ended development. That means the only way to fix any remaining issues is to do it myself or if someone makes a submod.

 

[kuauik]

well its just been overlooked,in the sea of factions and constatnt rant about this and that,it slip through my fingers..i think the one thing that is the most accurate in this mod are the banners,i spent countless hours of researching those.I also replaced the harph with banners of the families present in the mod,although Tomas never got time to assign them properly

 

[hraktuus]

well its just been overlooked,in the sea of factions and constatnt rant about this and that,it slip through my fingers..i think the one thing that is the most accurate in this mod are the banners,i spent countless hours of researching those.I also replaced the harph with banners of the families present in the mod,although Tomas never got time to assign them properly

Yeah, I noticed the Irish family specific bannees were assigned perfectly in 0.97. You definitely did a great job getting the correct banners; it's just a shame to see them assigned incorrectly in 1.04 through 1.13. It really throws off the historical immersion seeing O'Neill charging you with a horse with red hands and a surcoat with a red hand, but a deer on his shield.

I actually did find someone to help me with this. Basically we'll use the old 0.97 banners specific to that file, but edit it such that the "brown" banners used for the shields found in shops are still there. Given the assignment of banners was never changed, this immediately assigns the right Irish banner to the right Irish lord. I'll upload it as a fix for this specific issue if that is allowed.

I do have to ask if you know where the red hand on the green background came from, because I have not found one coat-of-arms like that. I'm actually from one of the original "Red Hand" families, so if that one really does exist, I'm quite curious about it. Whatever the case it is definitely inaccurate to see it all over Europe on random green Miles.