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[Nerius]

A European mod made by Europeans 

dear god. somebody tax them!

june 4th baby. i take that test and im back!

hi cruger. please dont edit me.

 

[Temujin]

oh well i do not dissapprove.i was under the impression judgeing from the other version.i had to ask you to make me play my ancestors you see but i realise that is a long shot...still think i would be entitled too though,me and others of course

Well, you have two options:
1. You can play with Bulgaria, or as most Romanians like to call it "The Kingdom of Vlachs and Bulgarians". It's still ruled by the early Assenid dynasty (namely, Kaloyan and his cousins) and you can consider them to be ethnic Vlachs. One lord in particular, Dobromir Hris in Macedonia, is f.e. specifically called to be a Vlach by Niketas Choniates. So you shouldn't have a hard time identifying with that faction.
2. If you don't like option 1, you can just role-play in being an ethnic Vlach, recruiting Vlach troops from the Vlach villages (yes, there will be some Vlach villages to the north and the south of the Danube, check my Bulgarian research to see which) and eventually create a Vlach state of your own (though you'll still probably have to pick a Bulgarian (or other) culture in the beginning and thus use Bulgarian (or other) castle troops).

There's no line at all. "Patriot" is what all nationalists call themselves.

Not exactly. IMO, "patriot" today is what "nationalist" used to mean before - someone who loves his country. But "nationalist" today is closer to "chauvinist" (i.e. someone who hates the other countries, while pretending/claiming to love his own), which is why "patriot" is pretty much the only word left, which has its old non-chauvinist meaning.

I got curious and downloaded your research, you are quite tourough! I salute you!

You wouldn't happen to have done research on the cultures of the lowlands (Modern Netherlands and Belgium and Luxembourg) If so, would you mind posting that?

 

[NikeBG]

Nope, I've done only the Bulgarian research, since that's the area where I feel safe in my knowledge (my specialty, so to say). And I admit I know almost nothing specifically of the Lowlands, besides the average general infos everyone knows. I think Frisicus and FrisianDude are helping with the Lowlands research - you can check the threads here, I'm sure there was at least one about research of the Dutch Counties ever since they were included in the last patch for the M&B version (and, might I say, if you think I'm thorough, wait till you see what they've done).

 

[F.F.C._fritz]

Question about tournaments. I'm a pisan noble, which team should I join being myself a Pisan? I tried the house of Sanudo, which, I guess, is Venetian (we are at war with them). They promised me a messenger for the next tournaments, but nothing similar has ever happened.  Maybe there is a Pisan team I could join? Is it possible to have a list of the Italian circuit teams?

 

[king of europe]

i believe theres a bug with torunaments.it doestn matter what team your on,but if you have played more than 100days then the tournaments stop : .

 

[Dusancan]

Are there claimants in this mod?

 

[Korinov]

Are there claimants in this mod?

By 1200 there were very few factions with a "nativeish" claimant; that is, a claimant who acted in a similar way to the ones in Native, traveling from place to place gathering support, etc. Example: Arthur of Brittany was claimant to the throne of England, but he wasn't hiding anywhere. Since by the mod's timeframe he would be just a 12 yeared-old boy, we cannot place him as a lord.

If I remember correctly, some factions will have indeed a Native-style claimant, but not a lot of them.

 

[Dusancan]

Are there claimants in this mod?

By 1200 there were very few factions with a "nativeish" claimant; that is, a claimant who acted in a similar way to the ones in Native, traveling from place to place gathering support, etc. Example: Arthur of Brittany was claimant to the throne of England, but he wasn't hiding anywhere. Since by the mod's timeframe he would be just a 12 yeared-old boy, we cannot place him as a lord.

If I remember correctly, some factions will have indeed a Native-style claimant, but not a lot of them.

Ah, k It would be perfect to put a claimant for Kingdom of Serbia, since the king who ruled Serbia at that time was Stefan Prvovenčani. His elder brother, Vukan, should have ruled instead of him, but Stefan Nemanja (founder of the Nemanjić dynasty) gave the throne to Stefan Prvovenčani. It would be a perfect claimant mission 

 

[DrevniDabar]

Ah, k It would be perfect to put a claimant for Kingdom of Serbia, since the king who ruled Serbia at that time was Stefan Prvovenčani. His elder brother, Vukan, should have ruled instead of him, but Stefan Nemanja (founder of the Nemanjić dynasty) gave the throne to Stefan Prvovenčani. It would be a perfect claimant mission 

No. Vukan will be a lord for Grand Principality of Serbia - not Kingdom of Serbia, as you wrote.
However, I already suggested a quest for a civil war between Stefan i Vukan. The player would be able to choose a side between them. Will this quest actually be in the future, I know not.

 

[Dusancan]

No. Vukan will be a lord for Grand Principality of Serbia - not Kingdom of Serbia, as you wrote.

Velika Raška Županija? xDD

 

[Hrobatos]

Velika Županija Raška actualy

Velika Župania means grand principality ( state's title ) and Raška means Serbia, or rather one specific part of Serbia which brought others under serbian state, and was often even later used as synonim for Serbia


for instance Poles in Ottoman era, call Serbs who left for Polan Racowie, this term comes from Rascia ( Raška )

 

[Dusancan]

Velika Županija Raška actualy

Velika Župania means grand principality ( state's title ) and Raška means Serbia, or rather one specific part of Serbia which brought others under serbian state, and was often even later used as synonim for Serbia


for instance Poles in Ottoman era, call Serbs who left for Polan Racowie, this term comes from Rascia ( Raška )

Same thing

 

[DrevniDabar]

Velika Županija Raška actualy
Velika Župania means grand principality ( state's title ) and Raška means Serbia, or rather one specific part of Serbia which brought others under serbian state, and was often even later used as synonim for Serbia
for instance Poles in Ottoman era, call Serbs who left for Polan Racowie, this term comes from Rascia ( Raška )

Same thing

Since Serbia in that time consisted of Raška (Rascia), Hum, Zeta and Travunija, the more correct term would be Serbia, rather than Raška.
However, I noted that we never used the word Serbia in whole of middle-ages. We called our country The Land, Serb-land, Serbian Kingdom, Serbian Tsardom, Serbian Despotate and stuff like that. So no ''Kingdom of Serbia'', but rather ''Serbian Kingdom''. I think that applied to most of other countries, they were named by their people (like Cesar noted, it was Kingdom of Franks, not Kingdom of France).

But, anyway, who cares.

 

[Dusancan]

Velika Županija Raška actualy
Velika Župania means grand principality ( state's title ) and Raška means Serbia, or rather one specific part of Serbia which brought others under serbian state, and was often even later used as synonim for Serbia
for instance Poles in Ottoman era, call Serbs who left for Polan Racowie, this term comes from Rascia ( Raška )

Same thing

Since Serbia in that time consisted of Raška (Rascia), Hum, Zeta and Travunija, the more correct term would be Serbia, rather than Raška.
However, I noted that we never used the word Serbia in whole of middle-ages. We called our country The Land, Serb-land, Serbian Kingdom, Serbian Tsardom, Serbian Despotate and stuff like that. So no ''Kingdom of Serbia'', but rather ''Serbian Kingdom''. I think that applied to most of other countries, they were named by their people (like Cesar noted, it was Kingdom of Franks, not Kingdom of France).

But, anyway, who cares.

Yeah, my bad.

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

Just a correction: if we were to put the actual names of every country, then it would be Rengum Anglie, Regnum Sicilie, Regnum Aragonum, Regnum Francie, Sacrum Romanorum Imperium...

So we're using the most correct names in English. For example, we put Kingdom of France, and not Kingdom of the Franks, because Philippe II was the first one to claim to be Rex Francie (King of France) and not Rex Francorum (King of the Franks). The same with many other names.

That's why I prefer "Empire of the Romans" instead of "Roman Empire" when talking about the Byzantines.

 

[NikeBG]

Just to note - Bulgaria can stay as Bulgaria, since Kaloyan's correspondence with Innocent includes not only "Bulgarorum et Blacorum rex" (by Innocent) or "imperator omnium Bulgarorum et Blacorum" (by Kaloyan), but also "imperator Bulgariae Calojoannes" (by Kaloyan) and "totius Bulgariae et Blaciae Primas" (by archbishop Vasilii). Ian Mladjov seems to have made a good work in collecting all of the titles from those correspondences in this Wiki talk-page, if anyone's interested (nevermind the ugly nationalist ****-waverings from the other users there).

 

[wiskey78]

By 1200 there were very few factions with a "nativeish" claimant; that is, a claimant who acted in a similar way to the ones in Native, traveling from place to place gathering support, etc. Example: Arthur of Brittany was claimant to the throne of England, but he wasn't hiding anywhere. Since by the mod's timeframe he would be just a 12 yeared-old boy, we cannot place him as a lord.

If I remember correctly, some factions will have indeed a Native-style claimant, but not a lot of them.

You mean Duke Arther de Bretignue Lord of Rennes he is a lord in the mod, 12 or not (although i will say he looks a little bit old)

 

[Korinov]

By 1200 there were very few factions with a "nativeish" claimant; that is, a claimant who acted in a similar way to the ones in Native, traveling from place to place gathering support, etc. Example: Arthur of Brittany was claimant to the throne of England, but he wasn't hiding anywhere. Since by the mod's timeframe he would be just a 12 yeared-old boy, we cannot place him as a lord.

If I remember correctly, some factions will have indeed a Native-style claimant, but not a lot of them.

You mean Duke Arther de Bretignue Lord of Rennes he is a lord in the mod, 12 or not (although i will say he looks a little bit old)

Oh, my mistake then. I'll get a look at him, and maybe change his face (I suppose I should try to give him the most "babyface" possible, considering the game's limitations).

 

[Frisicus]

Just a correction: if we were to put the actual names of every country, then it would be Rengum Anglie, Regnum Sicilie, Regnum Aragonum, Regnum Francie, Sacrum Romanorum Imperium...

So we're using the most correct names in English. For example, we put Kingdom of France, and not Kingdom of the Franks, because Philippe II was the first one to claim to be Rex Francie (King of France) and not Rex Francorum (King of the Franks). The same with many other names.

That's why I prefer "Empire of the Romans" instead of "Roman Empire" when talking about the Byzantines.

At the time (1200 AD) wasn't the germanic 'k' in Franks already written with a latin 'c' for at least more as 900 years (not meaning the Greek language)? About the pronounciation of the 'c' in Old- to Middle-French dialect I'm not sure. Perhaps it was already a 's', but most likely a 'ch'. In that case it would be indeed written as Regnum  Francie or Kingdoms of Francs but pronounced as Kingdom of Franch or Regnum Franchie.

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

At the time (1200 AD) wasn't the germanic 'k' in Franks already written with a latin 'c' for at least more as 900 years (not meaning the Greek language)? About the pronounciation of the 'c' in Old- to Middle-French dialect I'm not sure. Perhaps it was already a 's', but most likely a 'ch'. In that case it would be indeed written as Regnum  Francie or Kingdoms of Francs but pronounced as Kingdom of Franch or Regnum Franchie.

"King of the Franks" is English. "Francs" doesn't exist in English.