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jdturner11

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I'm not a new warband player. I have mastered manual blocking, had my fair share of multiplayer debauchery (may know me by the name of JD) and usually was able to destroy single player. Unfortunately, it's been a long while since I've played single player, I stopped when warband was released. Now that I have a new internet provider and pings are over 100, I have been back to my roots. There is an issue. It seems that whenever I amass a certain number of troops and fight an opposing faction with the same amount, I'll get steam rolled. I began as a Nord, got destroyed, switched to Vaegir (my favorite) and am still being torn to pieces. This is not helped by the fact King Yagorlek is a total push over and can't go 5 minutes without being thwapped off his horse with a club. What do I do?! Has warband singleplayer changed this much?! One on one I am a master... but alas, I feel that army coordinating is my weak point. Any tips from those of you who have conquered regions? How do I develop an excellent vaegir army?

Thanks for your time!
 
I recommend that you love me, as I didn't even see that sticky and I believe we would make a very competent couple.
 
jdturner11 said:
How do I develop an excellent vaegir army?
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By recruiting Sarranids and training them up to be Mamlukes.  That's what I did when I joined the Vaegirs in my current game.  Mamlukes beat the crap out of anything.  When I rebelled and formed my own kingdom, I had all the Vaegir lands (including Wercheg that I held beforehand and Sargoth that King Yaroglek held since I conquered it for him) under my control in a matter of days.

My 30-40 Mamlukes were overkill really.  Beware though, if you enter a battle against 300 with only 40 people, you start with very few on the field.  If there are any decent soldiers in that army of 300, you'll likely loose.  So it's important to have some trash troops along for big battles so you can field your Mamlukes.  Just remember to have the trash below the Mamlukes on the party screen.  Then I just tell the trash to hold position while my heroes and Mamlukes follow me to flank the enemy.  Often I don't even bother with flanking, just charge right at them.  It's too easy most of the time.  In fact, I might quit using Mamlukes.
 
Thank you for the suggestion but I am afraid I am making a Vaegir only army! I am now Marshall of the Vaegirs and have amassed quite the collection of Knights. Things seem to be going well, defeated King Ragnar just a minute ago.
 
I'm going to take a stab in the dark and theorize that your original problem (RE - losing battles when both sides were about even in numbers) arose when you were fighting with Allies and you weren't the Marshall?

When you join in on battles to help out, and you aren't the Marshall, you'll only be able to control your own soldiers that spawn with you.  If you have a low Tactics rating and your personal army is a relatively small % of your Allies, you'll end up with very few men to direct and influence the course of battle, even if you do have high tier troops.  In cases like that, you'd need to hold your men back and 'shadow' your Allies movement, to take advantage of their numbers.  Even then, with equal numbers, it all comes down to who has the best and highest-tier soldiers.  Let your Allies soak up as much damage as possible, and with each reinforcement wave, you'll get a few more men to add to your cadre.  Hopefully, towards the end of the battle, you'll have a large enough group of men you can use to sway the results.  Definitely don't let your men go off alone to fight, have them follow you and let as many of the enemy as possible flee the battle.
 
GJ speaks the truth, but since you're having some success now, I suspect that you have figured that out on your own, and wasn't that fun? On another note, I'm still waiting for the afore-promised love, and I shaved very close today in anticipation.
 
GJScarritt said:
let as many of the enemy as possible flee the battle.
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No. If they flee then they'll just 'regroup' with the main force instead of being properly dead/K.O'd.

Lord Brutus said:
GJ speaks the truth, but since you're having some success now, I suspect that you have figured that out on your own, and wasn't that fun? On another note, I'm still waiting for the afore-promised love, and I shaved very close today in anticipation.
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And that's why I still see a beard on your profile pic.
 
killer110 said:
GJScarritt said:
let as many of the enemy as possible flee the battle.
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No. If they flee then they'll just 'regroup' with the main force instead of being properly dead/K.O'd.
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True, it's better (usually) to kill off those routers now before they rejoin in the next battle phase, but in this case, the OP brought up a scenario where it's best to get as many to rout as possible, and keep concentrating on the ones still fighting.  His side (though equal in numbers) was losing to a superior force.  So anything he can do to make it through each round improves his chances of winning.  If all that are left are routers, then yes, hack em down, but don't do what the AI does - half of your side chases a lone Recruit to the far side of the map while the other half gets cut to pieces facing the next wave.  :smile:

I'll stop now because I'm enjoying the new thrust of this thread too much, keep it up.  :wink:
 
So what happens to routed troops? I always thought they just disappear when they reach the nearest castle, but I never checked. Do they get added to the garrison or something?
 
I've only been in position to observe bandits that have routed, and they do not add to the castle's garrison. And I will not play second fiddle to the debauched Boyar Vlan; oh, I should mention, I saw Boyar Vlan today leaving the office of his infectious disease specialist, don't know what that was all about.
 
Once some routed soldiers actually routed to me  :grin:.  I had a huge army, I guess they saw me as some sort of center or mass or something.  And they didn't get added to my troops, they just disappeared.  And I've checked this out and can confirm that routed enemies simply disappear as soon as they reach their destination, be it a city, castle or me.
 
Kilbo the Wide-eyed said:
i dont know i just slaughter them before they get anyhwere using ctrl+left click so i really dont know
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Well you can know now and right before you posted, if you read what was written.

Ctrl+left click is some other game I haven't tried, it's not MBW.  Doesn't sound very exciting.
 
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