improvments for M&B native game play

[finplayer]

Hi

while i was playing M&B native i thought id like to hear from others what you think about my suggestions to enchance the native gamaplay (if someone else than me is playing it)

so im vassal to khergits and i own Dhirim and few other town and castles, well as allways we are war with other factions, i got mesage that my town dhirim is under siege by jarl smth (never remember lord's names) so i came and defended the town, while i was defending i came up by idea: why could't i send messages to your marshal or other lords to come and help me defend my town wich is part of khergit khanate, i think it would be realistic to send out one of your companions to ask help from lord's you are in good terms with

my other suggestion is that when the marriage arrived in warband i thought as i play female charecter and im sure there are lords who would be interested in marrying me, why should i go and suggest marriage? why don't the lords try to get my attention by deeds or gifts and then ask me to marry them, this would be much more realistic, fun and could offer more political gamaplay as i could make 2 lords who are trying to marry me to fight each other thus weakening them and opening posibilities for me to rise past them towards the ruler and gaining more

another suggestion is that when you go and suggest mariage to you king he says he got other plans for his children, well if you are in good terms with your king lets say 100+ relation there would be option you could marry he's daughter or son thus making you the next king or queen when the king perishes, don't know if lords die in native mod for old age eventually so far played 450+ days and so far no lord has died for old age, this leads to my atm last suggestion in this post

add lord death, as we all know all heroes (player), companions, and lords are super lucky and will not die even if hitted on the head with great axe so im pruposing that the lords could die for old age or assasination (i actually bumped an hired assasin in one tavern) or just simply die for that over head great axe swing and have their son's/daughters take over their lands and armies, this because you see that lords have sons and daughters but they just are... seems like they never get chance to inherit their lands and such, this improvment would make the game more exciting as you could marry say king harlaus's daughter and then just wait he to die (OR assasinate him!?!) to get hold of the throne and the faction

though why go through all this when you can simply make you own kingdom but what do you think? would thease suggestions make native more interesting to play, thease would give the player more taste about political game play instead of amassing great army and wiping down all your enemys yes i know that is fun but this could be another way to gain power, more behind the scemes

but tell me what you thing about my rambling and tell me are thease eny good suggestions, i looked quite much in forums but didn't find enything quite like this

another game play tweak i camed up was shield bash
as we all know currently we have kick option to upset our enemys balance and then spam swing him to death, so what i came up os this:

if you charecter has a shield equiped instead of kicking you charecter would swing his shiels fron right to left (since all charecters are right handers) the shield would not take damage fron this, if it did no one would use this since ppl really wish to cover fron the arrown rain or that mighty 2h axe, this additional add would bring more colour for the game play, as i think in real combat i find it hard to imagine eny one voluteryly to stick one of their body part out so enemy can chop them off, if you just swing yr shiled you don't risk yr hand or leg being choped off so i find shield bash somewhat more realistic and fun

yet another suggesion that came to me:
when you are on feasts you could challnge other lords to duels, 1v1 3v3 and 5v5, winning duels you could gain more fame, better relations with lords you dueled or opposite if they don't like losing to a woman , but the main point for this is that youd actually have smth to do while in the feast atm all lords just stand around the castle hall and its not really a great feast feeling ppl just standing there like salt pilars, olso with duel option you could chalenge other lords to fight over lands or castles if you win you get the castle or what ever was betted if you lose youd lose your bet, this could be olso used when 2 great armys collide say 500 vs 500, you could challenge the leading lord (or all of them) to a duel and youd be accompanied at the duel with lords who are with you, if you win enemy army disperses to country side (but can be reassembeld since the soldiers are not dead) if you lose your army leaves the field and goes to where ever is your nearest controlled castle and you are take prisoner


but tell me what you think this and previous suggestions i have camed up, i might post more as i figure them out (there might be another topic about shield bash but i think this more as a general summ of suggestions rather than focusing completely on one or two suggestions)

 

[Captain_Octavius]

I like your ideas, but don't know of any mods that implement these.

I recommend playing the Diplomacy mod though, it expands diplomacy in Native considerably, and I think you'll like it. Also, the author of the mod also takes suggestions to heart, so if you flesh these ideas out in detail, he may actually implement them in an update.

 

[original]

Back in the first Mount & Blade, there was a mod called native expansion which did just that, expanded on native gameplay.

I like the native gameplay as it is, though I wish to make changes to the economy. I'm waiting for someone to start the mod and get the ball rolling.

 

[Captain_Octavius]

Back in the first Mount & Blade, there was a mod called native expansion which did just that, expanded on native gameplay.

I like the native gameplay as it is, though I wish to make changes to the economy. I'm waiting for someone to start the mod and get the ball rolling.

I played Native Expansion to death before Warband was released and really enjoyed it. What kind of changes do you want in Warband though? You can achieve many things with text file tweaks and/or TweakMB.

 

[original]

Back in the first Mount & Blade, there was a mod called native expansion which did just that, expanded on native gameplay.

I like the native gameplay as it is, though I wish to make changes to the economy. I'm waiting for someone to start the mod and get the ball rolling.

I played Native Expansion to death before Warband was released and really enjoyed it. What kind of changes do you want in Warband though? You can achieve many things with text file tweaks and/or TweakMB.

I want the option to play the benevolent Lord.

In the first M&B, I worked tirelessly to help the first village I got. I built everything and spend any time I had to help them. But the prosperity never increased much. I actually wanted to stop wars so that I could continue nurturing my village. I even checked the codes to see how to increase the prosperity. Turns out there were not many ways to increase village prosperity.

Now in Warband, the first thing I checked was the economy of the game. It felt like I could finally make my village Very Rich. I scanned through every thread that talks about the economy. I even bought things like tools in bulk and gave it to my village at a loss. Still I could not increase the prosperity.

The game is very nice for an indie game, but my inability to make villages happy and prosperous left me saddened.

So I want to contribute to this native expansion by overhauling villages.
I want to add new building options to allow people to make villages prosperous. So they will work like player enterprises in towns, except they will increase their productivity like cabbages, dried meat, cheese, honey, etc. They will sell a lot of surplus to towns, and even help towns with their shortages.
There will be investment options to help your cattle and sheep population remain high. More cattle will mean more dairy products and meat, more sheep will mean more wool and meat as well.

If a player wants to spend all the gold he has to help his villages and make their prosperity remain Very Rich, he should have the option to do so.

 

[finplayer]

I like your ideas, but don't know of any mods that implement these.

I recommend playing the Diplomacy mod though, it expands diplomacy in Native considerably, and I think you'll like it. Also, the author of the mod also takes suggestions to heart, so if you flesh these ideas out in detail, he may actually implement them in an update.

well i was hoping that gamedevelopers would maybe make this kind of additions in the next patch or update in the future, and i have tryed the diblomacy mob but why i wish that thease suggestions would come to native is that i really don't wish to start all over again, iv played now more than 450 days to achive what i currently have in native but i might piece these suggestions together and send then to the diplomacy author/modder just to more echanse good mod

 

[Wilsonrtf]

I like your ideas, but don't know of any mods that implement these.

I recommend playing the Diplomacy mod though, it expands diplomacy in Native considerably, and I think you'll like it. Also, the author of the mod also takes suggestions to heart, so if you flesh these ideas out in detail, he may actually implement them in an update.

well i was hoping that gamedevelopers would maybe make this kind of additions in the next patch or update in the future, and i have tryed the diblomacy mob but why i wish that thease suggestions would come to native is that i really don't wish to start all over again, iv played now more than 450 days to achive what i currently have in native but i might piece these suggestions together and send then to the diplomacy author/modder just to more echanse good mod

You don´t have to start over to play Diplomacy. You can copy your save game to the Diplomacy save game folder and it will work.

 

[tyrannicide]

why could't i send messages to your marshal or other lords to come and help me defend my town wich is part of khergit khanate, i think it would be realistic to send out one of your companions to ask help from lord's you are in good terms with

You can already tell any lord to go somewhere. It only depends on your relations whether it succeeds or not. Furthermore, your faction will already take steps to defend the faction's assets, and this includes your fiefs.

Rating: non-issue.

why don't the lords try to get my attention by deeds or gifts and then ask me to marry them, this would be much more realistic, fun and could offer more political gamaplay as i could make 2 lords who are trying to marry me to fight each other thus weakening them and opening posibilities for me to rise past them towards the ruler and gaining more

You're a parvenu. Your mercenary ass cannot compete with noble *****.

Rating: don't care.

another suggestion is that when you go and suggest mariage to you king he says he got other plans for his children, well if you are in good terms with your king lets say 100+ relation there would be option you could marry he's daughter or son thus making you the next king or queen when the king perishes

Meh. I can already become King or Queen. I'd rather be a ruler of a shiny new realm than one over a bunch of degenerate bastards.

Rating: don't care.

add lord death

Yes. But needs to be carefully thought out. Not something that should be rushed.

Rating: YES.

another game play tweak i camed up was shield bash

I'm pretty sure there's a mod that did this in M&B, and I believe I heard about people trying to implement this in Warband. It's in the big list of suggestions in the King's Court, at least.

Rating: Yes.

 

[finplayer]

why could't i send messages to your marshal or other lords to come and help me defend my town wich is part of khergit khanate, i think it would be realistic to send out one of your companions to ask help from lord's you are in good terms with

You can already tell any lord to go somewhere. It only depends on your relations whether it succeeds or not. Furthermore, your faction will already take steps to defend the faction's assets, and this includes your fiefs.


yes i know i can do this when im as a marshal of the factions army or i can suggest a course of action if im in good terms with them but what i was aiming here that when im in my town and helping to defend it and i don't use cheats to go tell each lord come help me defend my castle/town but i mean that i could for exsample tell one of my companions to lave and bring allys/friends/ lords im with good tearm ect ect to come and help me defend the castle and do it fast and yes even the faction armys do take steps to defend my or other lord's lands not nearly all of them come so stay in their castles or feast's or patroll around their lads and this happens even they are right near my lands, this i know since iv used cheats to see how other lords react when factions setlemets are under attack and to get all most all yr factions lords to get her you could mount up a effective counter mesures even though you wouldn't be marshal at the time.

why don't the lords try to get my attention by deeds or gifts and then ask me to marry them, this would be much more realistic, fun and could offer more political gamaplay as i could make 2 lords who are trying to marry me to fight each other thus weakening them and opening posibilities for me to rise past them towards the ruler and gaining more

You're a parvenu. Your mercenary ass cannot compete with noble *****.

ahh but i started playing as a noble and who cares if im parvenu with fast rise to the top of the world comes power and money and lords and ladys fight over it and this could bring more political game amongst the regular fighting

another suggestion is that when you go and suggest mariage to you king he says he got other plans for his children, well if you are in good terms with your king lets say 100+ relation there would be option you could marry he's daughter or son thus making you the next king or queen when the king perishes

Meh. I can already become King or Queen. I'd rather be a ruler of a shiny new realm than one over a bunch of degenerate bastards.


well i can see yr point but this would be imo great chanse to reorganize old ways, to creat a firm and safe kingdom, to show those degenerate bastards of my factions and other factions that you are the supreme ruler and you will not be over thrown.

but im glad i recived yr oppinion you made good points

 

[finplayer]

I like your ideas, but don't know of any mods that implement these.

I recommend playing the Diplomacy mod though, it expands diplomacy in Native considerably, and I think you'll like it. Also, the author of the mod also takes suggestions to heart, so if you flesh these ideas out in detail, he may actually implement them in an update.

well i was hoping that gamedevelopers would maybe make this kind of additions in the next patch or update in the future, and i have tryed the diblomacy mob but why i wish that thease suggestions would come to native is that i really don't wish to start all over again, iv played now more than 450 days to achive what i currently have in native but i might piece these suggestions together and send then to the diplomacy author/modder just to more echanse good mod

You don´t have to start over to play Diplomacy. You can copy your save game to the Diplomacy save game folder and it will work.

ahh thank you i didn't know this was possibel, you have my thanks

 

[Sammyboy]

There was shield bash in theNative Expansion mod. However with kicking I doubt they would add it.

 

[finplayer]

There was shield bash in theNative Expansion mod. However with kicking I doubt they would add it.

well we can allways hope for the best and it would be cool instead of kick you would bash yr opponent with shield if you had one equiped and yr using it, don't got shield don't wory kick him then