I'm done: Episode II

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Orion presents the most insightful post I've ever read.  Biggest problem is newcomers who think they are the oyster's ice skates because better players from the past have quit playing.  On topic is now a bigger cesspool than off topic ever was.  It consists mainly of players telling each other they are douchebags or idiots and calling it banter.  Reasons for this are that TW is taking too long in Bannerlord development and the person originally in charge of on topic abrogated his responsibility and we were too late in appointing new moderators specifically for on topic.
 
Huh, and I thought we were the problem children. Llandy, how could you lie to me!  :sad:
 
Amontadillo 说:
Who was originally in charge of on topic?
Dunno about what timeframe he's talking, but Yoshiboy comes to mind as an example as someone specifically assigned to on topic areas.
 
Lust, I imagine.
He whom became obsessed with e-sports and promoting competitive gaming **** with prizes within Warband.

Cool dude, really.
 
Leifr Eiríksson 说:
Lust, I imagine.
He whom became obsessed with e-sports and promoting competitive gaming **** with prizes within Warband.
That would fit the time frame, I think. Lust was specifically in charge of the on-topic boards for a few years, spanning a time before and after he was hired at TW. When he was hired he took on some new responsibilities and I think on-topic went on the back burner for him. He was also rather laissez-faire with the drama and ****-talking even at his most active, but that's not to say he was wrong to be that way. The scale of it then was much smaller, it was nowhere near the perpetual ****-slinging contest & meme spam we've had recently. Brutus is the best thing to happen to those boards in a long time because he's lenient and relatively involved, but he can't stop them from ****posting without turning it into a ghost town.
 
Sad to see another one go, but I'm sure you'll all creep back in when BannerLord comes out, no one leaves permanently, I've tried  :razz:

Good luck and see you soon!
 
Orion 说:
Kissaki 说:
But what are these huge changes everyone keeps talking about :?:
Off-topic (a looong time ago) was just a place where mostly M&B players talked about things other than M&B. Usually it was other games, historical stuff, each other, but nothing really weighty. Then as the community grew and more people came in, more discussions naturally popped up, things like religion and politics. Once you start talking about those, crazies come out of the woodwork, and we had a few resident conspiracy theorists like Ancalimon and godfrey. No big deal, they came and went, and nobody has really risen to such prominence in that capacity since. However, now it seems like many people use those topics as a sounding board (or an echo chamber), really putting their views out there, and it's polarized and/or sensitized some individuals. In the first few years you could say something like Wellen/Leifr did just a few posts back anywhere on the forum and nobody would think twice about it. Depending on where you said it now, it could be the same, or someone could call them out for some nonsense political correctness garbage just 'cause MUH SENSIBILITIES. In some threads, it feels like what you say will be ignored or heavily scrutinized by people with a point to prove. The easygoing feeling from way back is gone in off-topic.
I'm not sure how much has changed in this regard. I remember some pretty heated topics (drunk rape, gun control, circumcision, religion etc.), and I'm guessing such threads are still around. I was surprised to see nothing on Trump in the Off Topic when I got back, though. Figured maybe there had been some new guidelines regarding political discussion, which would be the one thing different from what I remember.


On-topic, though, is where the change is really apparent. While it's nominally for talking about M&B/Warband, it's more of a circlejerk now than off-topic was ever criticized of being. It was a busy little place brimming with suggestions and speculation about the original M&B, swelling up and then settling back down over the years until the Warband beta started. There was a huge surge with the beta and subsequent release of Warband, with unprecedented enthusiasm, but that has entirely died and only those with nothing better to do still bother with the forum. Even the dedicated players have mostly quit this place for the time being. There is now next to nothing productive being done for existing or future M&B games in on-topic. It would be ignorant to assume it will stay that way, though, as it's clearly cyclic. Bannerlord will see another rise in that section and it will probably be the biggest yet. The problem with on-topic as it stands is that after rising to its highest after Warband's release, it has sunk to its absolute lowest and is fermenting while we wait for Bannerlord.
That was just to be expected. The exact same thing happened with the M&B forum, which still exists but is now mostly used by people asking questions in the wrong place.


To be honest, I'd prefer if on-topic just died off at this point. It will come back with the next game, but right now it's just getting people banned for the dumbest reasons.
Moderators more trigger happy than they used to be, I take it?
 
Regarding off-topic, those examples you give are precisepy the ones he means, they didn't happen to that extent before.
 
Kissaki 说:
I'm not sure how much has changed in this regard. I remember some pretty heated topics (drunk rape, gun control, circumcision, religion etc.), and I'm guessing such threads are still around. I was surprised to see nothing on Trump in the Off Topic when I got back, though.
Those threads didn't exist when you and I joined the forum. Catholic's "The Religion Thread" was started in 2011, circumcision stuff came and went in 2013, etc. Up until 2010, off-topic felt more like a big group of friends (or friendly acquaintances) goofing off and poking fun at each other.
To be honest, I'd prefer if on-topic just died off at this point. It will come back with the next game, but right now it's just getting people banned for the dumbest reasons.
Moderators more trigger happy than they used to be, I take it?
No, actually the opposite. The problem is that there's nothing left to actually talk about in on-topic, so it degenerated into a fustercluck of memes and ****-talking, usually in threads masquerading as a top 10 players sort of thing. The administration decided to cull those threads in particular, which seems to be helping, but the same users that were getting in trouble in those threads may end up getting in trouble in other threads for the same old ****. The better half of a clan actually had a little vendetta against Brutus for a while because one member of theirs had been harassing other forumites for some time and was recently banned. They harassed and baited Brutus for pages and pages in their clan thread, even after the bans started rolling out. I was surprised it went on as long as it did. In Brutus' shoes, I wouldn't have let it go on so long, but then Brutus is a hearts-and-minds softie. :razz:
 
Kissaki 说:
I was surprised to see nothing on Trump in the Off Topic when I got back, though.
I thought that's all the "2016 U.S. Presidential Elections: The Circus is Coming to Town!" thread is about. Haven't looked into it though, so I might be wrong. But I'd be shocked if he's not in it. :razz:
 
Last I checked it's Dark Derping arguing about how everyone else that isn't Trump is the worse alternative and Temujin calling for mass murder. So business as usual.
 
Yeah, there's always the one "friend" that nobody really wants to have around. :iamamoron:
 
Wellenbrecher 说:
Last I checked it's Dark Derping arguing about how everyone else that isn't Trump is the worse alternative and Temujin calling for mass murder. So business as usual.
Jesus Christ I almost choked on my peanuts. :lol:
 
Orion 说:
Kissaki 说:
But what are these huge changes everyone keeps talking about :?:
Off-topic (a looong time ago) was just a place where mostly M&B players talked about things other than M&B. Usually it was other games, historical stuff, each other, but nothing really weighty. Then as the community grew and more people came in, more discussions naturally popped up, things like religion and politics. Once you start talking about those, crazies come out of the woodwork, and we had a few resident conspiracy theorists like Ancalimon and godfrey. No big deal, they came and went, and nobody has really risen to such prominence in that capacity since. However, now it seems like many people use those topics as a sounding board (or an echo chamber), really putting their views out there, and it's polarized and/or sensitized some individuals. In the first few years you could say something like Wellen/Leifr did just a few posts back anywhere on the forum and nobody would think twice about it. Depending on where you said it now, it could be the same, or someone could call them out for some nonsense political correctness garbage just 'cause MUH SENSIBILITIES. In some threads, it feels like what you say will be ignored or heavily scrutinized by people with a point to prove. The easygoing feeling from way back is gone in off-topic.

On-topic, though, is where the change is really apparent. While it's nominally for talking about M&B/Warband, it's more of a circlejerk now than off-topic was ever criticized of being. It was a busy little place brimming with suggestions and speculation about the original M&B, swelling up and then settling back down over the years until the Warband beta started. There was a huge surge with the beta and subsequent release of Warband, with unprecedented enthusiasm, but that has entirely died and only those with nothing better to do still bother with the forum. Even the dedicated players have mostly quit this place for the time being. There is now next to nothing productive being done for existing or future M&B games in on-topic. It would be ignorant to assume it will stay that way, though, as it's clearly cyclic. Bannerlord will see another rise in that section and it will probably be the biggest yet. The problem with on-topic as it stands is that after rising to its highest after Warband's release, it has sunk to its absolute lowest and is fermenting while we wait for Bannerlord.

To be honest, I'd prefer if on-topic just died off at this point. It will come back with the next game, but right now it's just getting people banned for the dumbest reasons.
This post seems extremely accurate to me.
 
Bye, Mr. Clergy Lamb. Sadly I didn't see much of you during my stay. :sad:
 
Well, Bye. I think the first time I saw you, I made a dumb thread and you came and ****ed my **** up.
They were good times.
 
Just saw this. Missed having you around, Llamb, and participating in all those drunk Toribash sessions. Have fun not needing to put wankers in their place anymore!  :sad:
 
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