IG's departure from the ENL
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What are you telling us!?
Sarosu is never trolling!
Sarosu is never trolling!
With all due respect, I wanted to present CoR for three reasons:
1- To have fun in a competetive aspect with people I like to play
2- To help maintaining the stability of a league that has the potential to last for years.
3- To RAPE
Out of these three reasons, the one everyone should be looking is thethird second one. I appreciate Lust's endeavour in this, and all other people should too. I ask those to all of you:
What does it feel to be in a community? A community that allowed us and clans to have a proper sanctuary to have fun (be it competetive or not), mod and teamwork. I've been in this community for a long time (probably longer than any of you) so I know how it feels to be in one. Especially if that is Taleworlds.
Given that information, you all should've understood that competetiveness is not only to win or maintain the prestige of a simple petty clan, but to maintain an organisation that would benefit for the whole community. I agree it wasnt the best idea to start this competition in Summer, but still you shouldn't have fall apart from the pack if it is a default loss you'd get. Take the ****ing thing, the league would be still there for a next time for you to win.
Apart from all this, if you still withdraw from an organisation that stood for months by the work of nearly one person and you're about to win it, then I'd not only take this as a personal insult, but an insult done to the whole community.
As the Mordorian Warpriest I am (thanks to Gurnisson), I curse everyone that tried to damage those endeavours to not take part in anything at all.
1- To have fun in a competetive aspect with people I like to play
2- To help maintaining the stability of a league that has the potential to last for years.
3- To RAPE
Out of these three reasons, the one everyone should be looking is the
What does it feel to be in a community? A community that allowed us and clans to have a proper sanctuary to have fun (be it competetive or not), mod and teamwork. I've been in this community for a long time (probably longer than any of you) so I know how it feels to be in one. Especially if that is Taleworlds.
Given that information, you all should've understood that competetiveness is not only to win or maintain the prestige of a simple petty clan, but to maintain an organisation that would benefit for the whole community. I agree it wasnt the best idea to start this competition in Summer, but still you shouldn't have fall apart from the pack if it is a default loss you'd get. Take the ****ing thing, the league would be still there for a next time for you to win.
Apart from all this, if you still withdraw from an organisation that stood for months by the work of nearly one person and you're about to win it, then I'd not only take this as a personal insult, but an insult done to the whole community.
As the Mordorian Warpriest I am (thanks to Gurnisson), I curse everyone that tried to damage those endeavours to not take part in anything at all.
SCGavin 说:
This seems to be the only new question that is necessary to answer.
Lugh: how many do you have?
Plazek: about 8 i think Here it is revealed they have 8 players. You will know that it is acceptable to play 10vs8.
Plazek: but that is scraping the barrel
Plazek: but this is not the point
Plazek: to be frank
Plazek: i am quite dissapointed
Plazek: that so far
Plazek: after we wait for you for 2 weeks
Plazek: that this is such an issue
Plazek: i am sure you are dissapointed too
illvminati: I dont know about the preparations for this match since I'm not as active as i used to be in the forums, however a lot of us made the time to come to this match... we scheduled it. For example, I could have made other plans tonight but I didnt since this was the plan as agreed between IG & the 22nd. The same goes with most others, we scheduled this event in, making time for it, and its rather irritating to cancel it 10 minutes or so in to the match time.
Plazek: this is a sucky situation for us all
illvminati: Dont you have other players? Knowing they had 8, you did not ask to play the match 10vs8, you asked if they had other players.
Plazek: yea
Plazek: and all of us here
Plazek: made plans to be here too
illvminati: Many of our good players are also away
Plazek: the people who do not show
Plazek: screw us
Plazek: just as equally a syou
sadnhappy: I'm quite sure we're on the same boat as you guys are on that matter
Lugh: sure, you are, but the behaviour and reliability of your members
Plazek: and what of yours
Lugh: is your responsibility Questioned the reliability of their members. No clear sign that you wanted to play 10vs8.
illvminati: I understand how you feel, but this is 22nd internal stuff... you should deal with them.
sadnhappy: still it's missing the point
Plazek: whall went on holiday mid league
Plazek: if were going to start poitning fingers
Plazek: (an unhealthy thing for all of us)
sadnhappy: we could have said "no, we have the match before the original deadline" when you didn't have enough players.
Lugh: we acted in a responsible manner by requesting a delay to the match in ADVANCE of the deadline
Plazek: so?
Plazek: we are are irresponsible now
Lugh: its quite irresponsible to request the match be rescheduled after all the planning that we (both clans) have done
sadnhappy: still besides the point
Plazek: because i cannot see the future
Plazek: and predict
Plazek: and warn you
Plazek: before i know it myself
Plazek: that we have 2 players awol
Plazek: and one with broken internet
sadnhappy: not the first time a match gets cancelled. we had several cancellations with REF and RN in this league
Plazek: how is this
Plazek: anything to do with responsibility
Plazek: it is just bad luck
Lugh: and what would have happened if they dropped in the match?
sadnhappy: ie. they cancelled it just before the match was supposed to start and so on
Lugh: you have no substitutes? Goes on to question why they only have 8. Nothing trying to get a 10vs8 started or give any indication that you would want to play, under those circumstances.
Plazek: not today
sadnhappy: we don't.
At that point, any team who actually wanted to play would have given a clear indication that they wanted to play regardless of 22nd's numbers (provided they had at least 8, of course).
You go on to try and prove they had at least 10, by checking their teamspeak. Once again, confirming that you wanted them to have 10, so the match could be played 10vs10. I do not believe you wanted to play 10vs8 at that point and evein if you did, your failure to indicate otherwise, in that chat, is the reason you did not merit a default win.
@Morii: There is no reason that you couldn't be tactful and polite, whilst remaining clear and decisive. Although it's arguably a little harder than simply raging and being rude, it's perfectly possible. IG reps just didn't do that.
I chose to be the sole admin so that all of this **** would fall on me. I felt I would do a better job, acting alone and I still think that's the case. It allowed me to keep the sub-forum organised (take a look at some of the sub forums of other events) and it made the new roster rules viable. With multiple event admins, I think we'd be a looking at a heap of other issues.
That's why I took on helpers instead and I'd like to take this opportunity to thank them for all their great work.
captain lust 说:SCGavin 说:
This seems to be the only new question that is necessary to answer.
Lugh: how many do you have?
Plazek: about 8 i think Here it is revealed they have 8 players. You will know that it is acceptable to play 10vs8.
Plazek: but that is scraping the barrel
Plazek: but this is not the point
Plazek: to be frank
Plazek: i am quite dissapointed
Plazek: that so far
Plazek: after we wait for you for 2 weeks
Plazek: that this is such an issue
Plazek: i am sure you are dissapointed too
illvminati: I dont know about the preparations for this match since I'm not as active as i used to be in the forums, however a lot of us made the time to come to this match... we scheduled it. For example, I could have made other plans tonight but I didnt since this was the plan as agreed between IG & the 22nd. The same goes with most others, we scheduled this event in, making time for it, and its rather irritating to cancel it 10 minutes or so in to the match time.
Plazek: this is a sucky situation for us all
illvminati: Dont you have other players? Knowing they had 8, you did not ask to play the match 10vs8, you asked if they had other players.
Plazek: yea
Plazek: and all of us here
Plazek: made plans to be here too
illvminati: Many of our good players are also away
Plazek: the people who do not show
Plazek: screw us
Plazek: just as equally a syou
sadnhappy: I'm quite sure we're on the same boat as you guys are on that matter
Lugh: sure, you are, but the behaviour and reliability of your members
Plazek: and what of yours
Lugh: is your responsibility Questioned the reliability of their members. No clear sign that you wanted to play 10vs8.
illvminati: I understand how you feel, but this is 22nd internal stuff... you should deal with them.
sadnhappy: still it's missing the point
Plazek: whall went on holiday mid league
Plazek: if were going to start poitning fingers
Plazek: (an unhealthy thing for all of us)
sadnhappy: we could have said "no, we have the match before the original deadline" when you didn't have enough players.
Lugh: we acted in a responsible manner by requesting a delay to the match in ADVANCE of the deadline
Plazek: so?
Plazek: we are are irresponsible now
Lugh: its quite irresponsible to request the match be rescheduled after all the planning that we (both clans) have done
sadnhappy: still besides the point
Plazek: because i cannot see the future
Plazek: and predict
Plazek: and warn you
Plazek: before i know it myself
Plazek: that we have 2 players awol
Plazek: and one with broken internet
sadnhappy: not the first time a match gets cancelled. we had several cancellations with REF and RN in this league
Plazek: how is this
Plazek: anything to do with responsibility
Plazek: it is just bad luck
Lugh: and what would have happened if they dropped in the match?
sadnhappy: ie. they cancelled it just before the match was supposed to start and so on
Lugh: you have no substitutes? Goes on to question why they only have 8. Nothing trying to get a 10vs8 started or give any indication that you would want to play, under those circumstances.
Plazek: not today
sadnhappy: we don't.
At that point, any team who actually wanted to play would have given a clear indication that they wanted to play regardless of 22nd's numbers (provided they had at least 8, of course).
You go on to try and prove they had at least 10, by checking their teamspeak. Once again, confirming that you wanted them to have 10, so the match could be played 10vs10. I do not believe you wanted to play 10vs8 at that point and evein if you did, your failure to indicate otherwise, in that chat, is the reason you did not merit a default win.
1. Playing 10vs8 would be in our favour. Why should we prefer to play 10vs10 or refuse to play with more members? That would make no sense.
2. It is not our responsibility to offer to play 10vs8.
3. 22nd made clear they would not play at all, be that 10vs8 or 8vs8 when they said:
I think that makes clear that we were prepared to play on the day, with 10vs10 or 10vs8.
I love this thread.
I still dont understand the problem here. Date was planned, am I right? It was decided at by that time both sides had the sufficient numbers to play? Sportsmanship shouldnt be forced, reminds me of kindergarten a bit infact. IG has every right to demand the default victory.
I still dont understand the problem here. Date was planned, am I right? It was decided at by that time both sides had the sufficient numbers to play? Sportsmanship shouldnt be forced, reminds me of kindergarten a bit infact. IG has every right to demand the default victory.
Comrade Temuzu 说:
Yes but 22nd wouldn't want it 'cheated' out of them due to necessary rule-application and IG are knee-jerking the situation due to Lust's response... or something like that. **** knows.
This.Arch3r 说:
Something very special must have happened in Sarosu's life indeed. He used to be a troll and now he looks as smart as a professor of epistemology. Yesterday he even came to TS say Hi to me, and he complimented me for how awesome my english is. I say he is on the road to redemption.
Comrade Temuzu 说:
Except that IG postponed before this date. One could argue that (even though they postponed before the actual match date) they wouldn't have had the players at the correct time to begin with and give the 22nd a default win. The 22nd however, agreed to the postponing. They should be shown the same courtesy.
It looks clear to me that 22nd said that they won't play at that day because they didn't had enough players, so to me that is same as they would say that the forfeit the match.
And yes it would be nice from IG that they would return the favour and change the date, even if was asked to late
It would be also good that 22nd would have more players then just 8.
So with my interpreting of rules is clear IG win, but I think that it would be more right to rematch. Since until now like Sarouso said we the league allways followed the rules.
And yes it would be nice from IG that they would return the favour and change the date, even if was asked to late
It would be also good that 22nd would have more players then just 8.
So with my interpreting of rules is clear IG win, but I think that it would be more right to rematch. Since until now like Sarouso said we the league allways followed the rules.
Lord Willy
Lust ... You imposed the rules from the start , without accepting any polls , for avoiding any problems as it happened on the ENPL , without accepting any suggestions that you didnt like , dont bothering other players or clans opinions ( calling it Lust League would have fit well) . You imposed the rules and punished who didnt follow them , without doing any concession and going straight to punish any rules breaker . Then it happen what it has happened(I wasnt personally there)... As the rules are clear the organizator should be the first who respect them escpecially when they have been persecuted without concession in the 2 months before , otherwise , as Joy said it damages the reliabilty of the league . Tough somehow you didnt respect the rules , maybe for your known , old grudge of you and the clan you are part in against IG , who knows... the fact is that even if IG gave you a more than acceptable reason on why IG would have(maybe) claimed a default win , you didnt respect the rule you yourself created , saying that "you are not convinced" ... nice reason ... or as temuzu said in his post ," just because 22nd could play again then the rules should not be upheld? nice logic "... now tell me why a clan should partecipate on a league where the organizator or the dictator as you want to be yourself called as you have dictated the rules as right as it is , dont respect the rules , because he is not "convinced " of a perfectly fine reason , where IG prepared for weeks , where some players cancelled some vacation , some players to go out with their friends or girl that they wouldnt have seen for the whole summer to play that match . (A match where they were all ready to play when 20 min after the match should be started even if 22nd could play , they prefer not to and when IG members ask explanation to 22nd , they have also been shouted from 22nd members without any apologies or anything releated ) Tell me why you are surprised and shocked , IG left from the league and didnt continue this farse league , farse as the rules arent respected by the organizator , so i cant find any other definition to call it . And besides this you even Insults as Moderator of the Forum and as organizer of the League a clan that has all rights to leave the league and all reasons to leave .
Also , i cant hear those who say , "IG , ruin the already little community like this" as this league have made a big chasm between russian community that counted 15 competitive clans and rest of the european community due the very unfair rule of allowing only french and german server ... And its an "european League"...
This episodes have many correlation and so reminds me the Nations Cup 1 , where the organizator of that time , Arch3r ( Whom i see from his post , confirm his general reputation of being a very arrogant person) did not respect the rule that he created , to favour his own team . Correlation because the rules were not being respected in both cases , in the Arch3r case to favour His team , in this case , Lust case , to unfavor a team he has grudges with .
so in few words to sum it up , i take again Joy's post
Note that this is Lord Willy's post and Lord Willy's feelings and view on the matter , none of the opinions and expression above have anything to do with IG .
... nice reason ... or as temuzu said in his post ," just because 22nd could play again then the rules should not be upheld? nice logic "... now tell me why a clan should partecipate on a league where the organizator or the dictator as you want to be yourself called as you have dictated the rules as right as it is , dont respect the rules , because he is not "convinced " of a perfectly fine reason , where IG prepared for weeks , where some players cancelled some vacation , some players to go out with their friends or girl that they wouldnt have seen for the whole summer to play that match . (A match where they were all ready to play when 20 min after the match should be started even if 22nd could play , they prefer not to and when IG members ask explanation to 22nd , they have also been shouted from 22nd members without any apologies or anything releated ) Tell me why you are surprised and shocked , IG left from the league and didnt continue this farse league , farse as the rules arent respected by the organizator , so i cant find any other definition to call it . And besides this you even Insults as Moderator of the Forum and as organizer of the League a clan that has all rights to leave the league and all reasons to leave . Also , i cant hear those who say , "IG , ruin the already little community like this" as this league have made a big chasm between russian community that counted 15 competitive clans and rest of the european community due the very unfair rule of allowing only french and german server ... And its an "european League"...
This episodes have many correlation and so reminds me the Nations Cup 1 , where the organizator of that time , Arch3r ( Whom i see from his post , confirm his general reputation of being a very arrogant person) did not respect the rule that he created , to favour his own team . Correlation because the rules were not being respected in both cases , in the Arch3r case to favour His team , in this case , Lust case , to unfavor a team he has grudges with .
so in few words to sum it up , i take again Joy's post
] and it becomes a farse league add i would add.
Note that this is Lord Willy's post and Lord Willy's feelings and view on the matter , none of the opinions and expression above have anything to do with IG .
MadocComadrin 说:
We had enough players then and could have played. There would have been no reason why the 22nd would have gotten a default win, as we would have been present at the agreed upon date with sufficient numbers. Had we agreed on a date for the match before the original deadline and not agreed to play after the deadline, that is.
We asked well in advance and before any date for a match was scheduled and we did not break any rules or failed to appear at match time with sufficient numbers. Hence these situations are quite different.
We then suggested two dates to the 22nd and they chose the 30th July, were they then did not appear with 8 or more players, asking or rather demanding afterwards that we would postpone.
The problem is that IG failed to give a clear response to 22nd's last minute postponement request.Comrade Temuzu 说:
It's within reason that you would prefer to have fought them 10vs10, out of sportsmanship. Not that you would be under any obligation to do so. Anyway, your motives aren't necessarily relevant.SCGavin 说:
It absolutely is your responsibility to give a committal answer, in that situation. As I said, had I been there it probably would've played out differently. Infact I believe, had you been there, it would have played out differently.SCGavin 说:
Sorry but it doesn't. You still gave no clear answer or indication about what you wanted to happen. That was what needed to happen at the time. Not a week later.SCGavin 说:
@Willy: Please don't embarass yourself.
And what if it wasn't asked to be late? 22nd could have had enough players if they played on time. I'm under the impression that this is a pivotal match--not only should a default be avoided as much as possible for a normal patch, but even more so for a critical match.broken shield 说:
I'm going to make the demand right now that 22nd gets a default win for dealing with the **** caused by letting IG play the match late to begin with. (And this is saying a lot because I don't like most of the 22nd).
rofl, so you dont want to play 8v10 but you'll play 0v10. Shot yourself in the foot there, eh ?
oh, and i am also a 30 year old woman, and i think that, for the MOST IMPORTANT MATCH of the entire tournament, we can afford to be liberal with a few of the rules. I think everyone would rather ACTUALLY SEE who's the better clan, rather than who's the most organised. Honestly, it's like playing against a herd of lawyers playing against IG sometimes. Got their Fun Drainer 3000 on max setting again.
@Madoc I don't really get this question: "And what if it wasn't asked to be late?" or did you mean And what if it wouldn't be asked late?
As I said it would be only fair that IG would give them another date, but until now rules were folowed everywhere so they should also be folowed now.
As I said it would be only fair that IG would give them another date, but until now rules were folowed everywhere so they should also be folowed now.
captain lust 说:
I do not think that further aguing is going to lead anywhere, you are obviously determined to follow your train of thought. As you obviously cannot convincingly apply the rules and instead arbitrarily make decisions, we left and stick by that decision.
This is not going anywhere; thread locked.
Keeping this thread open, as people have a right to their say.
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