I think bow mechanics in M&B have to be redesigned

[JakBB]

This video got quite popular on reddit


I reccomend you to watch it, and after one of the devs watchs it he has to do some hard work, sorry

No, seriously, what do you think about this? It looks quite interesting and maybe it could be implemented in some mod without ruining the balance.

 

[Do not look here]

That was quite impressive. I recall watching one of his earlier vids and was already impressed back then, but now... woah, amazing.

 

[Tancred_de_Houdan]

So.... how is the draw weight? A sugarcube?

What are the targets? Foam? Or whipped cream?

Sure, he is an expert at trick shooting and does it impressively. However the lethality of such plinking will be limited to infection.
Basically it's plausible-sounding bull****.

 

[NikeBG]

Certainly impressive, though not exactly new. F.e. the holding of several arrows in the bow hand was done many years ago, like in this video with Lajos Kassai. Still, it takes a *lot* of skill, even if we call it "trick shooting"...

 

[RalliX]

Welp, time to copy paste the post I made on /k/ about this very video like ten minutes ago.

Alright let's set the record straight.
1: His methods are suitable and useful for close combat against lightly armoured opponents.

2: His methods would not be suitable for long ranged formation archery. Full draw lengths on heavy bows for maximum range, accuracy, and penetration heavily decreases one's ability to launch arrows with speed. There are not many archers who can get ten arrows downrange with a hundred pound bow in any space of time measured in seconds who is not winded afterwards. Additionally, battlefield formation fighting calls for less individual movement, meaning the fancy moving trickshots are not useful for a foot archer formation.

3: I will not take it for granted that he can penetrate a proper combination of rivetted maille and heavy layered gambeson. The video does not adequately detail the method of manufacture for the test armour, which leads me to suspect loose, thinly weaved rings on a thin or improperly produced gambeson. The mannequin underneath also has no give as a human meat/water sack would. Use ballistics gel, or a pig.

 

[Andrix]

Agree with Rallix - if Lars was fighting along side other archers at Agincourt, they would burn him as a witch for his methods

 

[Barry_bon_Loyale]

Basically it's plausible-sounding bull****.

2: His methods would not be suitable for long ranged formation archery. F

Agree with Rallix - if Lars was fighting along side other archers at Agincourt, they would burn him as a witch for his methods

After watching the video I was curious to see if anyone would weigh in with a rebuttal to those methods.  One thing I did notice when looking at manuscripts is that they sometimes do have the arrow on the right side of the bow, not the left as is the convention in modern archery and some historical archers. 

Manuscripts like the Maciejowski Bible (circa 1250) show archers putting the bow on the left side of the bow.  However, later manuscripts such as the Luttrell Psalter (c. 1320–1340) and Vox Clamantis (c. 1400) clearly show the archers placing the arrow on the right side of the bow. 

I'm curious as to which was the case.

 

[Andrix]

There probably isn't a universal method. Take for example Japanese archery - Kyudo: they use bows longer that 2 meters and draw them over their head.

 

[RalliX]

I'm curious as to which was the case.

Probably both.
Arrow on the right in the case of a left hand holding the bow, has some of the advantages listed in the video.
It's faster as it requires fewer movements.
However, it's less stable than the other side because there is only the finger to support it.

 

[Antonis]

Very nice video, his skills are indeed quite impressive.

 

[Kharille]

Read about the 'arrow cutting' concept.  Interesting but he has to be standing by prepared.  Too much trouble trying to implement it into the game....

 

[Vraelomon]

I dont understand how this guy can catch arrows mid flight.

 

[Kharille]

Read about it in gamebooks.  Must be one of those fantasy skills.  Looks great in movies.  Master Splinter does it in the teenage mutant ninja turtles comic and it looks cool.

Wasn't it also implemented in one of those 70's movies, or the Kung Fu tv series? 

 

[Vraelomon]

Of course master splinter can catch arrows, hes a mutant rat. Ordinary humans catching arrows is unheard of.

 

[LionStrong]

Holy crap that was awesome! Although I think it would be more for show than for real combat, I see no point in holding it against your foot when you can just shoot it normally and there where some other cases in the video which I didn't see any sense in it.

Edit: just another thought, could this technique be used with modern compound bows or only with older styled bows like seen it the video? probably a silly question but I am unfamiliar with compound bows.

 

[Skot the Sanguine]

Edit: just another thought, could this technique be used with modern compound bows or only with older styled bows like seen it the video? probably a silly question but I am unfamiliar with compound bows.

My guess is no, since it seems like he is using a light-draw bow.  I doubt he would be able to pull back the draw of a 60 pound or more bow like he is in this video.  Plus, the advantage of a compound bow is the light draw hold, but the initial pull on the draw is usually rather hard compared to a standard bow of the same weight pull.  His trick-style archery is more suited to something like the Oberflacht bow that had a very quick and light draw.

 

[crodio]

1:02, Don Ramón is going to take care of El Chavo for the last time.

 

[e27]

Really impressive.
Still I think you're working against yourself when you try and establish a credible historical base while showing a guy shooting while hanging upside-down on the monkey bars.

 

[Rigadoon]

I don't like how the video mixes historical facts with trick shot archery footage to intentionally mislead viewers into believing that historical archers were close-quarters 360-no-scope ninja warriors.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

This whole thing stinks of buzzfeed. Like it really strongly smells.