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It's about the Finnish tanks, sillyJhessail 说:
I only got this atrocity out of google.
Jhessail 说:
And then all they have to do is sift the older pictures for the short one.
I find myself strangely in agreement with MadVader on this point. Posterity must not be deprived of the contents of that secret Finnish base. We have cursed posterity with global warming. We must leave them with something to comfort them in their final days.
Wait, I thought you were a brunette!
It's not me but it damn well could be.
The parade formation is always done in height order, so the front row is usually 190+ cm guys. I can't see her rank insignia but the fact that she's wearing a leather belt and the boys aren't, means that she is paid staff - either a staff sergeant or an officer - and not doing national service.
I was more razzing on Joe for not being able to find pictures of girls from FDF.
The parade formation is always done in height order, so the front row is usually 190+ cm guys. I can't see her rank insignia but the fact that she's wearing a leather belt and the boys aren't, means that she is paid staff - either a staff sergeant or an officer - and not doing national service.
I was more razzing on Joe for not being able to find pictures of girls from FDF.
Hahaha, exactly!MadVader 说:
I wonder if her reluctance to post photos is because she was in the FDF during the 1950's.
They also called in the help of a tank researcher to get the interior at least reasonably right, because there is a lack of sources on that.
Edit: Well lookie here, this is the first search result for "BT-42" in YouTube:
Edit: Well lookie here, this is the first search result for "BT-42" in YouTube:
Multiple mistakes in that video. No argument that BT-42 was a horrible tank but,
1) It was a silly compromise true enough but there weren't any alternative options. There was no better gun to use and there was no other platform to put that gun on. We had only captured T-26 and BT-7 in large enough numbers to make the creation of a tank company viable from logistics point of view. Maybe we shouldn't have built them at all but they were useful as pillbox busters during the trench warfare period of 1942-1944. The tank workshops didn't have anything better to do at the time - they had fixed up the captured Winter War tanks. It's not like the resources poured into the project were so vast that they ruined other aspects of the war economy. It was intended to support the T-26 equipped tank companies alongside the heavy company equipped with captured T-28/-35. So while it sucked as an assault gun, it managed to do its job as a self-propelled gun.
2) While it didn't have a machine gun built into it, additional weaponry was attached by repair units and the crews. These varied from Suomi M/31 submachineguns to Lahti-Saloranta and DP light machine guns.
3) Gasoline (instead of diesel) is certainly more flammable but it was widely used by many countries as it gave better performance.
4) The crews did attach tools and gear racks on the tanks. The fact that they don't show up on the museum piece or some of the old photos doesn't mean they didn't exist.
5) As for the HEAT round issue, that is hindsight 20/20. HEAT rounds were thought to be almost magic at the time and the principle did work - the round failed because of the poor quality of the fuses that often failed to detonate. If that problem didn't exist, the BT-42 could have performed as an assault gun as well.
At the end of the day, it was a pretty awful design forced on Finns due to circumstances. But considering the total lack of armored fighting vehicles, the 18 BT-42s were better than nothing.
1) It was a silly compromise true enough but there weren't any alternative options. There was no better gun to use and there was no other platform to put that gun on. We had only captured T-26 and BT-7 in large enough numbers to make the creation of a tank company viable from logistics point of view. Maybe we shouldn't have built them at all but they were useful as pillbox busters during the trench warfare period of 1942-1944. The tank workshops didn't have anything better to do at the time - they had fixed up the captured Winter War tanks. It's not like the resources poured into the project were so vast that they ruined other aspects of the war economy. It was intended to support the T-26 equipped tank companies alongside the heavy company equipped with captured T-28/-35. So while it sucked as an assault gun, it managed to do its job as a self-propelled gun.
2) While it didn't have a machine gun built into it, additional weaponry was attached by repair units and the crews. These varied from Suomi M/31 submachineguns to Lahti-Saloranta and DP light machine guns.
3) Gasoline (instead of diesel) is certainly more flammable but it was widely used by many countries as it gave better performance.
4) The crews did attach tools and gear racks on the tanks. The fact that they don't show up on the museum piece or some of the old photos doesn't mean they didn't exist.
5) As for the HEAT round issue, that is hindsight 20/20. HEAT rounds were thought to be almost magic at the time and the principle did work - the round failed because of the poor quality of the fuses that often failed to detonate. If that problem didn't exist, the BT-42 could have performed as an assault gun as well.
At the end of the day, it was a pretty awful design forced on Finns due to circumstances. But considering the total lack of armored fighting vehicles, the 18 BT-42s were better than nothing.
Indeed. It's amazing what measures and ingenuity can be born of desperation or need. One need only walk through the Bovington Tank Museum and gaze at the attempts of Great Britain to re-mechanize after the loss of equipment at Dunkrik. Let alone, Pykrete, batbombs, or some of the things those Nazi engineers came up with in their fever dreams; as literal desperation and megalomania poured out onto a design document. In-between their orgies with assistants and staff to keep the blood line"pure", and the crumbling of the nation around them,I guess it's amazing they got any work done.
Poor Guderian. Sitting at a table or proving ground looking at some sort of monstrosity, either on paper, or in mock up. Everyone around him calling it magnificent; while he objects, and stares on in disbelief. It's amazing his heart condition didn't turn into a massive myocardial infarction.
Poor Guderian. Sitting at a table or proving ground looking at some sort of monstrosity, either on paper, or in mock up. Everyone around him calling it magnificent; while he objects, and stares on in disbelief. It's amazing his heart condition didn't turn into a massive myocardial infarction.
Well, if they had just liberated more AT guns from the Soviets, they could've made an actually good tank destroyer, like the TACAM T-60.Jhessail 说:
