Hypothetical charge of 100 swadian knights...

[InstantBlade]

Let us say you are going to have to fight against 100 swadian knights (I would put black knights, but some people probably haven't played against them, so... for those who have fought against black knights, let us say it's black knights).

A few things:

. You can't bring more than 60 troops with you.
. Can't bring more than 10 cavalry troops.
. Can't cheat in any way (yes, being on the border of the map is cheating).
. As you enter the field, the enemy cavalry is starting it's charge (no tactics, they just charge towards you)
. You can only pick Native troops/companions/amour/weapons/etc to bring along

so, only attending to these specific rules:
- what army would you wish to have by your side?
- do you stand a chance?
- what kind of terrain would you prefer?
- how many casualties do you expect?
- have you ever faced anything similar to this (khergit don't count. I'm talking full armored knights here, not fast coursers or hunters)
- etc

cheers.

 

[djude]

- 60 Nord Huscarls
- I'd say...
- A flat, grassland actually!
- Maybe 20-40
- Not in native, but in EG3 I faced 120 swadian man at arms...but I had full list of companions & 30 or so merc.cavalry.
- I would make them stand closer to each other, and let the knights charge right into us, they would eventually get caught, thier horses would go down...and eventually they will go down!

 

[Ruthven]

I would want flat terrain, just to see who's better. My cavalry would be Khergit veteran Horse archers, to make their knights loosen up a little bit, so that my 50 bunched up Huscarls can stop their horses and cut them down.

 

[djude]

I would want flat terrain, just to see who's better. My cavalry would be Khergit veteran Horse archers, to make their knights loosen up a little bit, so that my 50 bunched up Huscarls can stop their horses and cut them down.

the khergit horse archers are a crazy good idea! to make the knights spread out...i didnt think of that XD

 

[The Mercenary]

I'd take 30 Rhodok Sergeants and 30 Rhodok Sharpshooters. Set the Sharpshooters behind the Sergeants by 40 paces. I'd be wearing Masterwork Plate Armour with a Masterwork Great Helm, Iron Greaves, and Guantlets, with a Heavy Bastard Sword, two Heater Shields, and a Lance. I'd stand a fairly good chance. We're talking hardest difficulty, of course.

What I wish is we could set up a circle formation. Sharpshooters on the inside, Sergeants in a ring surrounding them. The knights charging get dismounted, and those circling get shot.

 

[phantom67]

Troop: 60 Nord Huscarls
Environment: Castle/Town siege, Defending.

Just bunch everyone up at the bottleneck, those throwing axes are going to hurt them a lot, to the point where you should be able to finish them off in hand to hand without too much trouble.

If I had to choose an actual battlefield though:

10 Khergit Horse Archers
15 Rhodok Sharpshooters
35 Nord Huscarls (or any other Heavy Infantry unit)

Forested environment that would restrict the the Swadians Movement, while still flat enough for my Horse Archers to move freely.

Horse Archers lure the Knights close to my sharpshooters while harrassing, allow the sharpshooters to get a clear shot at the Knights, once everyone is out of ammo, have the sharpshooters form up with the rest of the infantry. Have Horse Archers retreat through the infantry line. Knights charge into my infantry, which is hopefully strong enough to hold them, then use the Horse Archers as light cavalry, and charge them into the rear of the Knight formation.

End result = Stationary mounted knights fighting against heavy infantry (thus taking away their advantage, the charge), while being charged into from the rear by some light cavalry.

 

[n00b]

- what army would you wish to have by your side?

Ten cavalrymen; others are two-handed swordsmen or axemen (dunno the names in native!)

- do you stand a chance?

Why not?

- what kind of terrain would you prefer?

If I cannot use the border, I'll use water! Anything with river on it.

- how many casualties do you expect?

zero? I don't remember how good armour is native was. In EGIII the charge is just useless against plates - it's safe as long as I dont get hit by their terrible black mace!

- have you ever faced anything similar to this (khergit don't count. I'm talking full armored knights here, not fast coursers or hunters)

Faced 200 rhodok knights in EGIII. Border (n00b's favorite tactic!), horse-wall. Killed them all with no loss!




Position my army to the center of the river, form a line of horses (riders unmounted) in front. Then wait. The knights will come and stuck between the horses and themselves, and slow down by water when trying to run away. They'll be done very fast!

 

[LavaLampMaster]

- what army would you wish to have by your side?
- do you stand a chance?
- what kind of terrain would you prefer?
- how many casualties do you expect?
- have you ever faced anything similar to this (khergit don't count. I'm talking full armored knights here, not fast coursers or hunters)
- etc

I'd take 25 Vaegir Marksmen and 35 Nord Huscarls.
Pretty good chance
Steep hills, but not mountainous
At least 30
Not at this scale, no

Firstly, I'd situate my army in two lines, with the Marksmen on top of the tallest hill I can find and the Huscarls ten paces ahead. Since the Knights will be moving fairly quickly, I'd find the Marksmen a better deal than Rhodok Sharpshooters, since they'd be able to get more arrows fired at the Knights, more hits would occur; accuracy by volume. Furthermore, once the knights reach my infantry or if a decent amount of them get to my archer line, Vaegir Marksmen are far superior to any archer in melee and would take more knights down with them.

 

[Kalnia]

60 Huskarls in tight order in dence, hilly or wooded terrain and expecting 20% or so casualties, or

50 Huskarls in tight order in open terrain with 10 cavalry or archers or whatever other non-Nordic troops to soak up the charge stood about 10 paces in front to soak up the charge, then the Huskarls go in when the knights slow down. 100% casualties from the troops infront, 1 or two maybe for the huskarls.

 

[ponty94]

10 Swadian Knights to distract the enemy while my infantry are forming up

20 Vaegir Marksmen because they own

30 Nord Huscarls because greataxe + huscarl + horse = no more horse

then the infantry and archers can kill the remaining enemies with any of the surviving cavalry.

 

[Kalnia]

Actuall I'd like to add another suggestion; 60 swadian knights against the hundred swadian knights because that way I dont care how many die on either side! 

 

[Troll]

- what army would you wish to have by your side?
10 Swadian Knights and 50 Huscarls

- do you stand a chance?
No.

- what kind of terrain would you prefer?
Doesn't matter as long as there is a river to stop knights. (or siege actually but I guess that's not possible...)

- how many casualties do you expect?
60

- have you ever faced anything similar to this (khergit don't count. I'm talking full armored knights here, not fast coursers or hunters)
Yep, with custom battle mod I just did and got my forces butchered.



I really don't believe anyone wins as long knights can ride faster than walking speed... Just got beaton so badly.

 

[Mabons]

- what army would you wish to have by your side?

An army of companions on horseback. And the rest Huscarls. I'll lead my companions brave charge into the void, and then retreat and have my huscarls finish them off.

- do you stand a chance?

Depends solely on how much damage me and my companions are capable on doing.

- what kind of terrain would you prefer?

Hill with a flat plain below.

- how many casualties do you expect?

All my companions knocked out but my huscarls safe with only 3-5 knocked out.

- have you ever faced anything similar to this (khergit don't count. I'm talking full armored knights here, not fast coursers or hunters)


Faced 400+ swadians on the open field with 80 huscarls.

 

[DbuhosX]

- what army would you wish to have by your side?
Well i like to solo as much as i can but eh : 20-30 sharpshoters and 10-20 cannon meat...I MEAN INFANTRY !
- do you stand a chance?
Yes i do,well at last till i run out of arrows.
- what kind of terrain would you prefer?
Plain so i can see the enemies.
- how many casualties do you expect?
Errr 20-30 or all the troops !
- have you ever faced anything similar to this (khergit don't count. I'm talking full armored knights here, not fast coursers or hunters)
Not yet,i will try to make Swadian mine enemies to see what i can do !
- etc
TEC ! tec ! TeC !

 

[tommylaw]

50 Huscarls, 10 khergit horse archers
Massive valleys so they can't get up to speed

 

[Josef_the_Pretender]

Great question 

Any 60 top-tier infantry.
Terrain: Plain with small hills.

Reasoning being, it's been my experience that if cavalry can't see you, they tend to sidle up rather than charge. So your infantry stay out of sight behind a low rise or hill and wait for them to wander up over the skyline, at which point you charge and start hacking.

If you have elevated archers in this scenario, then they charge and you have no chance, unless you resort to putting blocking horses out in front. I don't see the archers meriting their place here - how many could they bring down before the charge is upon you?

Casualties - it would be a very close thing.

Alternatively if the question assumes that they'll automatically be in full charge, you need 10 cavalry to try and draw them off enough that they reach your 50 infantry in bits and pieces rather than all 100 at once. Hard to see us surviving this though

 

[Moss]

I've actually done this, back in the good old days with a rather huge Black Knights party.

Managed to defeat them with an army of Swadian sergeants and a conveniently placed river with steep banks on each side.

 

[Weren]

-59 nord huscarls, and one lvl 40 Borcha
-Sure
-Very hilly scene, so the cavarly will lose it's advantage. Landscape with a river would be alright too.
-All swadians dead, half of the Huscars killed or wounded, Borcha unconsious
-300 swadian's agains 170 khergits, Swdians lost.

 

[Doctor]

Would do the cavalry soak trick, but would make them dismount about 20 sec before the collision. Terrain flat. 50 Huscarls. About 20-30 Huscarl casualties, depending on what type of cavalry I use up to 10 others

Also, Huscarls are OP (CBMod-tested, certified by me)

 

[Nahkuri]

60 Huscarls.
*hold this position*
*stay closer together* x 666

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