Huscarls

[Tintin]

Well today I joined 1200 Nords fighting 300 Vaegirs. The Vaegirs mainly consisted of Marksmen and the Nords were mostly Huscarls. I just sat back and expected the Nords to quickly finish the Vaegirs. The Nords lost very few men from arrow fire but when they got to melee they were slaughtered by the marksmen. This suprised me. After 2 minutes of fighting my allies were all dead or wounded. Huscarls are supposed to be the best infantry in the game. There was still at least 100 markmen alive afterwards. There were still 800 Nords but they were all wounded so couldn't fight. This left me and my very few sadly untried forces to finish them off. We managed to defeat the Vaegirs but what the hell happened to Huscarls?!

 

[PsykoOps]

This goes to the SP forums?

 

[okiN]

This post would have been a lot more helpful if you had actually been observing the huscarls and watching to see what happened. How the hell do you expect us to explain to you why they were losing?

And yes, wrong forum.

 

[Sarejo]

I'm going to test 40 huscarls vs 40 marskmen right away and let you know.

 

[Tintin]

I was watching in edit mode. The marksmen were getting one hit kills on the Huscarls. The Huscarls had to deal at least 4 hits upon the marksmen to kill them

@ Sarejo - Thanks

 

[okiN]

What weapons were they using, respectively?

 

[Berserker Pride]

I looked at Huscarls stats and they are much weaker than they were in 1.011.  They only have five power strike and iron flesh now.  This seems really low for a tier 6 unit that takes ages to train.  They used to have 7 or 8 powerstrike and ironflesh.

 

[Tintin]

Great axes, one handed war axes, throwing axes and I think just nordic swords

They're all the weapons I saw lying on the ground

Edit: What are the Vaegirs markmen stats?

 

[Sarejo]

Well eh. I tested changing the templates for looters and some bandits, so I'm fighting Marskmen that only charge. I didn't command my men, I let them charge.

I lost between 0 and 2 men, and I killed 32-38 marskmen. The rest routed.

Are you sure the items for your troops are right? Did all your huscarls have banded armor, huscarl shields, etc?

I'm going to test now against Lord parties, that should provide more of a challenge.

 

[Tintin]

Are you sure the items for your troops are right? Did all your huscarls have banded armor, huscarl shields, etc?

Yep

Well eh. I tested changing the templates for looters and some bandits, so I'm fighting Marskmen that only charge. I didn't command my men, I let them charge.

I lost between 0 and 2 men, and I killed 32-38 marskmen. The rest routed.

I know. Same with me. I easily defeated them. It's the Huscarls which I'm worried about

This left me and my very few sadly untried forces to finish them off. We managed to defeat the Vaegirs but what the hell happened to Huscarls?!

 

[Adorno]

Huscarls:

隐藏

Marksmen:

隐藏

The huscarls should easily kill marksmen in melee.

 

[Tintin]

Hmm. I have no idea then. I'm following my husband right now and he has 33 huscarls. If we get into a fight I'll report back on how well the huscarls do

 

[socks]

Huscarls have 12 strength and Marksmen have 19?!

 

[Sarejo]

Well, against a 91 Lord Party, of 84 Marskmen and 6 Knights, my 40 Huscarls lost 16 men and slaughtered all the Vaegirs.

I found a battle of some 75 nords against 76 vaegirs. 60% of both parties were either Huscarls or Marskmen.

Nords won. They lost 50 men between wounded and killed, so it wasn't a walk on the park either. But most of them were archers. Huscarls seem to do pretty good.

 

[Tintin]

Huscarls have 12 strength and Marksmen have 19?!

Would that make a large difference? With the equipment each use?

 

[Berserker Pride]

It does affect damage and health.  Makes about 7% damage difference and 7 hitpoints

 

[FrisianDude]

It's logical that Marksmen have hueg strength, though.

 

[okiN]

It's... really not.

 

[Corinthian Hoplite]

Attributes in native are almost always random and solely dependent on level, with a few exceptions.

Also, archers do need to be strong to draw bows.

 

[Tintin]

Attributes in native are almost always random and solely dependent on level, with a few exceptions.

But the Huscarls are a higher level than marksmen IIRC. Are they one of the exceptions? I expected them to be one of the strongest units