How to win from 20k+ troops?

[Naz_Original]

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I was walking through the Laria forest one day, and I stumbled across these two armies?

How does one compete with these huge armies?

 

[Vissy]

Well, you could start with 500 honor troops in your own army + being a marshal of your kingdom, leading a mighty host against them. That could do something. There's only a few hundred Noldor at the core of the army, the rest are usually trashy or only a few high tier units. Though with 17k, there are probably a lot...

Just take the best troops you can field and bring a few hundred of them. It's a lot of killing, but quality beats quantity in the end.

 

[Leonion]

Oh my...
In such cases I usually showed my end-game army and said "you can gather more than enough to beat this", but 17k...

 

[Naz_Original]

Worst part is, there are like 250 Empire armored crossbowmen, 250 ravenstern mounted rangers. Around like 7k high tier troops. I only have like 200 high tier cko troops.

 

[sher]

I doubt it can be defeated even if they'll attack your city - it has to have very large garrison to give desirable field presence for your troops. In theory you can fill garrison with thousands of low-level recruits but do you really want to be bothered with this? Leave them be, defeat 6K lord for unlocking CKO equipment if you need it.

 

[NouH]

That's a really sad thing, you would only win if you got a great host with you to aid in battle, but the problem is, the lords won't help you in that battle, i doubt the lords would follow you thought, i'm pretty sure being a marshall is useless when all the lords starting running when facing a 2k+ spawn.

The real challenge is being able to enter the battle with at least 7 lords at your side, cus the rest is probably too busy running from that 20k stack.

Some spawns are impossible to win, like in my game the heretics got 5k units in the army, and you couldn't beat it because every lord was running at first sight, while in fact me as marshall and all the lords could field more than 4k units.

 

[Vissy]

So can this be modded? So that lords won't run away so easily, like after a command from the marshal?

 

[Leonion]

You can approach the enemy army under the cover of the night and suddenly attack it at the dawn. If you're fast enough, lords won't have time to escape. 

 

[krisvk]

You can approach the enemy army under the cover of the night and suddenly attack it at the dawn. If you're fast enough, lords won't have time to escape. 

That is absolutely devious, and something I have done a lot. You don't want to fight you say? well i'm not giving you a choice.

 

[Marcus_SFAC]

The biggest army I have fought before is consist of 5 thousand soldiers , and the battle take me whole night in true wolrd …… Good luck dude

 

[mr48]

You can approach the enemy army under the cover of the night and suddenly attack it at the dawn. If you're fast enough, lords won't have time to escape. 

That could be a fantastic tweak! Lets say you press a specific key, and the game displays a circle around your party on the map so that you can see which parties/lords are close enough to join a battle if you were to start an encounter at that moment (with the circle size depending on the time of day for example).

 

[Salzber]

Well damn....the fact that the first waves are going to be Noldor is bad but that ammount of troops will really cripple the ammount of troops you can deploy.End game I could probably deploy 800 troops by myself + ca. 7000 vassal troops but that is hardly enough for that army even if they join.Maybe fighting them and then retreating after you killed some of them?

The biggest army I have fought before is consist of 5 thousand soldiers , and the battle take me whole night in true wolrd …… Good luck dude

I fought some 6 and 7k Jatu with lots of  ravenstern high tier units the real problem is to get enough troops to not be outnumbered at the start of the battle.But  almost 18k is just crazy.

 

[ermine]

It is my job as Madigan's "prodigal son" to seed and harvest the lands of pendor. It is why I don't become Noldor's best buddy until the very end (or earlier in case of certain roleplay issues, which do end the game according to inhouse rules ). Whenever I do note stacks with big prisoner trains ( 200 + ) I usually start to work them gently into obliteration, freeing those poor souls and kindly setting them free to family and home.

I am happy to use minor factions at the beginning for loot and renown (recent upgrades also give you the ladies to free and gather honor from small spawns). Eventually I am happy to have the Dead Legion or others to "guard" my first castle (never town, last I need is a plunder festival, gently sponsored by Snakes or Heretics). However, as soon as established and ready for expansion I tend to go after them.

The Noldors I do pay extra attention as they sometimes drag around 100 - 300 prisoner trains with only few men / women left combat ready. Easy prey for Lords which on their part gathering uberstrenght and thus eventually able to put their filthy hands on the army spawns with much bigger amount of prisoners and so on.

In short : There is no friend walking on Pendor's land unless one amends with joining my command, and thus I shall bring death and misery to knights and demons, kings and lords until the end when All is tuned and plays my chords 

 

[Daeghen]

Regarding Lords, cover of darkness works moderately well, but can still be hard to orchestrate with more than a few Lords. Another option is to hold a feast, then kite the enemy on top of the Castle/Town. They will leave eventually all as one, at which point you need to be close enough to attack before they scatter.

With 20k though? I can't imagine what the battle advantage will do you. Whatever the formula is, I worry you'd start the battle with 10 troops vs their 140. It doesn't matter how elite your guys are, you'll be slaughtered by their vanguard.

There really ought to be an attrition or desertion mechanic that addresses this. Morale, food. Deserter parties should be all over the place.

 

[gaelrandir]

It is my job as Madigan's "prodigal son" to seed and harvest the lands of pendor. It is why I don't become Noldor's best buddy until the very end (or earlier in case of certain roleplay issues, which do end the game according to inhouse rules ). Whenever I do note stacks with big prisoner trains ( 200 + ) I usually start to work them gently into obliteration, freeing those poor souls and kindly setting them free to family and home.

I am happy to use minor factions at the beginning for loot and renown (recent upgrades also give you the ladies to free and gather honor from small spawns). Eventually I am happy to have the Dead Legion or others to "guard" my first castle (never town, last I need is a plunder festival, gently sponsored by Snakes or Heretics). However, as soon as established and ready for expansion I tend to go after them.

The Noldors I do pay extra attention as they sometimes drag around 100 - 300 prisoner trains with only few men / women left combat ready. Easy prey for Lords which on their part gathering uberstrenght and thus eventually able to put their filthy hands on the army spawns with much bigger amount of prisoners and so on.

In short : There is no friend walking on Pendor's land unless one amends with joining my command, and thus I shall bring death and misery to knights and demons, kings and lords until the end when All is tuned and plays my chords 

The roleplay is strong with this one.

 

[Madame de Pompadour]

You can kite this 17k army ionto jatu, join the battle on Noldor side and shoot the all, one by one. Will need lots of ammo, but noldors tend to have it...

 

[ermine]

Regarding Lords, cover of darkness works moderately well, but can still be hard to orchestrate with more than a few Lords. Another option is to hold a feast, then kite the enemy on top of the Castle/Town. They will leave eventually all as one, at which point you need to be close enough to attack before they scatter.

With 20k though? I can't imagine what the battle advantage will do you. Whatever the formula is, I worry you'd start the battle with 10 troops vs their 140. It doesn't matter how elite your guys are, you'll be slaughtered by their vanguard.

There really ought to be an attrition or desertion mechanic that addresses this. Morale, food. Deserter parties should be all over the place.

Deserter Parties of too large minor faction armies - that Idea I do like very much

 

[Shutnik_maG]

What? Such a big army But how can this be? I never saw any army bigger than 700-800 troops

 

[Daeghen]

You can kite this 17k army ionto jatu, join the battle on Noldor side and shoot the all, one by one. Will need lots of ammo, but noldors tend to have it...

Now that's a GREAT idea!

BOOM, headshot! BOOM, headshot! BOOM, headshot!

 

[Daeghen]

What? Such a big army But how can this be? I never saw any army bigger than 700-800 troops

I've never seen that high, but in my current game I have two 2500 count Jatu armies roaming the plains. They recruit from prisoners. Usually they are too slow to catch anybody, but the roving bands will tackle NPC lords and other NPC warbands in the vicinity of the Stack of Doom, which will join battle and win. As the game progresses, they just snowball into massive sizes.

This is also a danger with kiting bandit armies into enemy Lords. I usually do that to scare them away, but I once pulled a 1200 count Mystmountain to scare away Ravenestern from recapturing my recently acquired Rane. One of the Ravenstern lords was feeling froggy, so he engaged and the whole marshalled army piled in. It was close, but Ravenstern won, and each of their lords got a 200 man bump. I had to completely retreat from my northern campaign because of that one debacle, losing Rane and Poinsbruk before suing for peace.