how do you start a war? (without the caravan raid quest)

[minmaster]

so it's just swadia and khergit left in my current game.  i am on swadian side and i want the war to start between khergits and us so that we can wipe them out. 

the problem is, i am not getting any caravan raid quests from any of our lords, so i am therefore unable to spark a war.  (do only certain lords give you this quest?)

i know i can just randomly attack khergits on my own but that would only make them go after me and not cause an official declaration of war from either side, right?

so what do i need to do to break out a war?

 

[Corndawg]

Just keep going around looking for the quest, you'll eventually find it.

 

[Pratolli]

Attack lords of an another faction.

Ask demands ------ Rob them.

 

[minmaster]

Attack lords of an another faction.

Ask demands ------ Rob them.

but this will make them only come after me, not the whole kingdom of swadia, no?  i want them to declare war officially so everyone can get involved.

 

[Pratolli]

Try raiding villages... It may income a war.

 

[minmaster]

regarding the raid caravan quest, do only dishonorable lords give you this quest or can it be had from any lord?

 

[Lord Leoric of Wercheg]

I'm betting they come from dishonorable ones.

 

[Corndawg]

Oh, and here's a helpful bug. You don't have to finish the quest. When the war starts it says finish the quest, if you do then you lose and gain relations with different lords. If you don't finish it until later it won't matter.

 

[minmaster]

i noticed that you don't have to check in with the lord to finish the quest and claim your reward right away, but you're saying don't check in with him at all until way later?  last time i did this quest, i took my time going back but the negative relations hit still happened.  when can you go back to him and not get the negative relations?  after the war is over or something?