How do I get ivory guards?

[Banok]

I read all the guides/FAQ's here and did a few searches. none of the troop trees posted here seem correct.

I trained my archers into ivory archers and then into ivory sentinels which are aparently "elite"

but there doesn't seem to be any way to train ivory guards. highlander is the last unit in my game for that troop line. so as you can imagine I'm confused.

are all "elite" units trained via normal troop lines?

And while I'm here is joining vaegirs the only way to get an ivory bow? (currently a kick ass warlord).

cheers sorry if been asked before

 

[Josef_the_Pretender]

You need to capture Reyvadin, where there's an Ivory Temple which produces these troops. Or capture another Vaegir city and you will have the option of building a Temple.

Similarly, if you capture Praven, Tulga, Sargoth or Jelkala, you will gain access to the creme de la creme of troops.

 

[Banok]

You need to capture Reyvadin, where there's an Ivory Temple which produces these troops. Or capture another Vaegir city and you will have the option of building a Temple.

Similarly, if you capture Praven, Tulga, Sargoth or Jelkala, you will gain access to the creme de la creme of troops.

thanks alot!

why is it I can still train sentinels then?

is there an up to date troop tree anywhere?

 

[Josef_the_Pretender]

The last patch added some troops, so that's why the troop tree doesn't match - it hasn't been updated yet.

This is my first game since the patch so I'm finding out the same things...Swadian Pikemen was a bit of a shock.

 

[daumor]

And it seems out of character...

I think the swadians needed a nerfing, not a buff, but I haven't actually played since the patch...

Sentinels are archers right?

 

[The Mercenary]

Doesn't seem out of character for me. The armies of West Europe were composed mostly of infantry with spears, due to how simple a spear is to make and how versatile it is. Swordsmen and knights were the minority. The Swadian pikemen are also not nearly as good as the Rhodok's or Nord's, or even the Vaegir's.

To be perfectly honest, they're just there for people who play like me: pure armies with a composition similar to actual Medieval armies.

 

[Josef_the_Pretender]

The more troops the better, I reckon, as they give you more gameplay possibilities. I like it. Well, I don't like the Swadian Pikemen - the Medium Infantry guy I looked at had a power strike of 1. Good Ironflesh though.

Is Ironflesh good for anything really? Is its impact miniscule compared to what armour you wear?

EDIT

To be perfectly honest, they're just there for people who play like me: pure armies with a composition similar to actual Medieval armies.

So if you were to mimic an actual medieval army, say Charlemagne's, would you be able to do it using Native Expansion Swadian troops? Or how close could you get, currently? Could you give a rough medieval army makeup and the Native Expansion equivalent?

 

[The Mercenary]

50% infantry, split in a 80-20 pikemen-swordsmen ratio, 30% archers, mostly crossbowmen but some traditional archers, and 20% cavalry, mostly light cavalry with a scattering of heavy knights and men-at-arms. For a generic army.

Charlemagne, I'd expect more cavalry, and they'd be less light or heavy, but mostly medium cavalry, knights in chain and scale mail. He'd also have a strong contingent of infantry, but he was famous for the knights.

Edward Longshanks, I'd expect a split favoring the archers. 30% infantry, 50% archers. Of the archers, you'd have most of them using longbows. The infantry would still be equipped mostly with spears.

So, yes, you could easily mimic Charlemagne's army with a Swadian contingent, if you so wished. You'd need a small amount of heavy knights, a dozen or so, as the analogue to his commanders, and for most of your cavalry, you'd have squires and knights, the low-level ones. For a basic infantry, you'd have Soldiers and Pikemen, and then your archers would be the basic Yeomen, with maybe a scattering of longbowmen - crossbows were not widespread during Charlemagne's time. The main attack forces you'd use would be your basic cavalry, and your infantry would mostly be used as support or garrisons, same with your archers.

Technically, you could mimic any of Christian Europe's armies during that time with the Rhodoks or Swadians. You have all of the necessary troops - medium cavalry, heavy cavalry, swordsmen, pikemen, archers, and crossbowmen. They just have different foci - the Swadians are focused more on their cavalry, the Rhodoks more on their infantry.

 

[Josef_the_Pretender]

Ah, that's a nice answer. Thanks Merc!