HIV/AIDS Cure?

[Archonsod]

True. But kicking the bastard in the nads every five minutes will certainly make them wish that wasn't the case.

 

[Lueii]

So people would have financial problems?  How much do they spend defending themselves.  Why not save themselves the crap and have people like me who find embryonic stem cell research disturbing to donate adult stem cells for free.  We'd be more then happy to.

Besides, why not play it safe and wait and see if it developes before judging them dead on sight.

They don't pronounce them dead, they just aren't a person, no more than a skin cell is and you shed them all the time.

The first part makes no sense, we've already addressed why you can't only use bone marrow stem cells.

You haven't actually.  The only reason is it is more cost efficient.

Above.  I disapprove of abortion and thus stem cell reasearch for personal reasons.
I do not like the idea that instead of my mother choosing to allow me to live and be adopted by a wonderful family, I could have been killed and used as a science experiment to maybe cure people who don't give a damn about who I could have been.

That is why I hate both the concepts of abortion and stem cell research

1 - Your god [supposedly] sacrificed himself for people who wouldn't give a damn about who he was.

隐藏: 2

1.  He did.  He had a choice however.  An aborted baby wouldn't.  (And this time you are the one bringing religion in.  I have been a good forumite.)
2.  Then what makes it a human?  And are you equating a human with a tree?  And raw eggs are just eggs afterall.

  Above.  I disapprove of abortion and thus stem cell reasearch for personal reasons.
  I do not like the idea that instead of my mother choosing to allow me to live and be adopted by a wonderful family, I could have been killed and used as a science experiment to maybe cure people who don't give a damn about who I could have been.

  That is why I hate both the concepts of abortion and stem cell research

Except for the part that, you know, you wouldn't exist to miss these things.

Also, you're pretty ******** self-centered for a guy who was so keen on judging my worth as a christian. ****.

Not your worth, whether you are a christian period.

In any event I am disturbed emensely by that thought.  If I had a choice in the matter (Like taking to weeks of pain to save a gay person) I'd do it in a heart-beat.  But to choose for me before I was born?

And worse, I think of the thousands of children who never became children.  Chills me.

Erm, no it wouldn't. Generally speaking, if you wanted to treat an individual via stem cells you'd ideally use the ones already present in their own body, for much the same reason a kidney transplant would be so much smoother if we were all equipped with spare kidneys. In fact you're pretty limited to what you could practically achieve using fetal stem cells; anyone with a high school knowledge of biology should be able to tell you why you'd generally not want to be using fetal cells to rebuild the immune system.
And as pointed out:
"The man received bone marrow from a donor who had natural resistance to HIV infection; this was due to a genetic profile which led to the CCR5 co-receptor being absent from his cells."
Must be one amazing fetus to have developed enough to not only have bone marrow, but to sign up as a donor too. Funny how much less of an idiot you look when you get your scientific knowledge from actual scientists rather than theologians.

Of which I concede I like the idea of using adult stem cells.  But what this will encourage is public opinion on stem cells period.  Peole will twist this as proof that all stem cell research is good.

 

[mor2]

隐藏: NO U

 

[Feragorn]

Except people don't abort embryos for the stem cells. Stem cells are taken as byproducts.

You've got it backwards.

 

[Archonsod]

And worse, I think of the thousands of children who never became children.  Chills me.

What, you consider your bollocks to be some kind of genocide chamber?

Of which I concede I like the idea of using adult stem cells.  But what this will encourage is public opinion on stem cells period.  Peole will twist this as proof that all stem cell research is good.

Research can't be good or bad by definition, it's how the research is applied. And as people keep trying to point out to you, stem cells harvested from foetal sources are taken from the dead ones. It's a bit hard to get them from live ones on account of them actually being used to form said foetus.
It's like objecting to removing the kidneys from a dead man to perform a transplant on a live one. Generally, most people wouldn't have an objection to it. Particularly not the donor themselves.

 

[kiarj]

And worse, I think of the thousands of children who never became children.  Chills me.

What, you consider your bollocks to be some kind of genocide chamber?

Heh, considering the kind of father you'd make, I'd consider yours to be more likely subjects as to the next holocaust's cause.

 

[Lueii]

Research can't be good or bad by definition, it's how the research is applied. And as people keep trying to point out to you, stem cells harvested from foetal sources are taken from the dead ones. It's a bit hard to get them from live ones on account of them actually being used to form said foetus.
It's like objecting to removing the kidneys from a dead man to perform a transplant on a live one. Generally, most people wouldn't have an objection to it. Particularly not the donor themselves.

Except people don't abort embryos for the stem cells. Stem cells are taken as byproducts.

You've got it backwards.

That's like cannabilism except with a creepier twist as the person you are eating never lived.

 

[kiarj]

Dear ****ing Lord, Lueii! WHAT?

 

[Feragorn]

Tell it how you want, stem cells of all types can be benefiting people and saving lives.

The point is, cannabalism is acknowledged as a toll of survival in extreme circumstances.

 

[Ambalon]

And worse, I think of the thousands of children who never became children.  Chills me.

What, you consider your bollocks to be some kind of genocide chamber?

I finally fulfilled my dream of becoming a genocidal dictator! 

Above.  I disapprove of abortion and thus stem cell reasearch for personal reasons.
I do not like the idea that instead of my mother choosing to allow me to live and be adopted by a wonderful family, I could have been killed and used as a science experiment to maybe cure people who don't give a damn about who I could have been.

That is why I hate both the concepts of abortion and stem cell research

1 - Your god [supposedly] sacrificed himself for people who wouldn't give a damn about who he was.

隐藏: 2

1.  He did.  He had a choice however.  An aborted baby wouldn't.  (And this time you are the one bringing religion in.  I have been a good forumite.)
2.  Then what makes it a human?  And are you equating a human with a tree?  And raw eggs are just eggs afterall.

1. Are you implying that we can't take down trees or slaughter animals for food because they didn't have a choice on it?
2. I don't know... conscience? Being born? You chose.

 

[Feragorn]

I do that every night then...

 

[Lueii]

Tell it how you want, stem cells of all types can be benefiting people and saving lives.

The point is, cannabalism is acknowledged as a toll of survival in extreme circumstances.

You don't find it disturbing and somewhat sick?  Especially when the cannabalism isn't neccessary.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

What happen in your genitalia doesn't compare to the systematic obliteration awaiting microbial in your lungs.

Tell it how you want, stem cells of all types can be benefiting people and saving lives.

The point is, cannabalism is acknowledged as a toll of survival in extreme circumstances.

You don't find it disturbing and somewhat sick?  Especially when the cannabalism isn't neccessary.

Your feelings aren't a good thing to base views on mate, or in any case, something you use to find the nature of things.

 

[Feragorn]

Tell it how you want, stem cells of all types can be benefiting people and saving lives.

The point is, cannabalism is acknowledged as a toll of survival in extreme circumstances.

You don't find it disturbing and somewhat sick?  Especially when the cannabalism isn't neccessary.

Cannibalism is acceptable when used to save a life. Most of the time, however, the people being cannibalized  are dead.

If we then, use stem cells from an embryo which was never alive, then what's the problem. We're saving lives.

 

[Regendur]

That's like cannabilism except with a creepier twist as the person you are eating never lived.

You don't find it disturbing and somewhat sick?  Especially when the cannabalism isn't neccessary.

I...

Wow.

隐藏

 

[Feragorn]

Darwin awards?

 

[kiarj]

HIS HEAD A SPLODE!

 

[Ambalon]

Cannibalism is acceptable when used to save a life. Most of the time, however, the people being cannibalized  are dead.

If we then, use stem cells from an embryo which was never alive, then what's the problem. We're saving lives.

Apparently it's better to lose a life that we're certain exists than to sacrifice something that wasn't alive to begin with.

 

[Feragorn]

He's made that clear.

 

[Shatari]

And worse, I think of the thousands of children who never became children.  Chills me.

What, you consider your bollocks to be some kind of genocide chamber?

They should make a fleshlight in the shape of cremation oven.
...Or a Pope Hat.