Hands falling off

hoboistice

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When troops die their right hand comes off, sometimes the left. I've installed a separate copy of Warband and VC, new savegame, new rgl_config, and it still happens.
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Is there a fix for this at all?
 

kalarhan

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Hoboistice said:
I think it's something to do with the gore system but I can't find any code specifically about it.
decap system only applies to the head (not hands), it doesn't change/remove bones or anything (it just uses a invisible helmet to hide the head), thus is unlikely to be related to this.

a old issue was related to the engine and ragdoll on some systems (GPU and drivers), not sure if its the same thingy (It doesnt happen on my PCs). That old issue was fixed back in 2015.

Make sure you guys are playing the latest version for both Warband and VC, not using WSE or any ragdoll hacks (to increase number of dead bodies), and include the detailed list of your hardware and drivers (dxdiag), in case that is the issue, for the devs to investigate.

Cheers
 

hoboistice

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Bumping this thread because I'm trying to look into this and fix it. The bizarre thing is it doesn't happen to some specific troops at all (e.g. the Huge Man at the Troll's bridge). I thought this was a scene specific issue but I made the Huge Man troop playable and used them in normal battle scenes, but their hands don't fall off at all they ragdoll like normal Warband characters.

Edit: It seems to be related to the race, since the Huge Man uses the oso race (Skin Eight) and his hands don't fall off, I've tried this with a number of other troops that use the same race (Clovis, quickbattle Sven Bull-Neck, Berserkrs, Wolf Heart) and all of them ragdolled like normal Warband ragdolls, no hands falling off or weird arm warping.

Edit 2: Well I was right, the race was the issue. Changing the unit scale for Skin Zero from
    "skel_human", 0.85,
to
    "skel_human", 1.0,
(which is what it is on Skin Eight and in Native)
caused characters to ragdoll like normal. Now WHY that happens I have no idea.

Edit 3: Just tried an edited unit scale in Native (to 0.85, just like VC) and the same issue of hands falling off is happening here.