Had i known development was going to be this slow for the single-player experience, i wouldn't have bought Bannerlord.

[StewVader]

After the last update which is all about multiplayer, and which i never use, i'm truly disappointed. Where is the new content for the single-player game? The base-foundation seemed so promising when it was released, so many good ideas to build upon, but it's as if a freezing winter has blown over the land and frozen everything in time. There's almost no substantial progress at all, which has me increasingly alarmed, will there ever be any progress other than constant, minor tweaks of what is already there? I bought two copies of this and i honestly wish i hadn't.

Yeah I agree 100%. It's been months and we still have rulers taking all the settlements, a horrible influence system, so many gaming ruining things still in the game, DESPITE the massive pleading for them to fix it. No way this is ready by March 2021.

 

[Cri11e]

Nostalgia is a disease. Try and play a native play through of Warband, you'll quickly realise it's really not how you remember it. Bannerlord maybe majorly lacking in features and identity, but to say WB's gameplay is better is just wrong.

Lol, mate.

 

[Karl V.]

The thing is even tho there are many threads full of constructive feedback, we have rarely had any sign of devs noticing or considering the most supported suggestions. They are communicating so rarely it's frustrating. One could say they are to busy working and improving but after 5 months we have no sign of that, there's no hint that they even care for the feedback and use it to improve the game. So I kinda gave up to engage in community discussions on how to improve the game as it seems to be pointless.
Also I don't think they focus on SP more than on MP, I think they have no focus at all.

 

[MostBlunted]

I think they said they want to talk about the next update today, let´s see if we get some information then.

And let´s pray the next update will have some significant changes and new content.

But I guess it will be the same as usual, changed some numbers here and there, fixed some bugs, added some new bugs and that´s it.

Or maybe they add an ingame screenshot function and will sell it as the next big thing.

 

[danEN]

I won´t compare a 49€ 2020 game to a 15€ (not sure, but something between 10-20€) game from 2012.

I played Warband without mods for like 250-300+ hours before I used mods and I never thought that vanilla isn´t playable or fun. Sure it has it´s issues, but is damn freaking 8 years older and was way cheaper.

Most companies are able to improve their second/third/whatever title of a series compared to the predecessor. Even if they release a game of the series all 2-4 years...because they take the good stuff and improve it and get rid of the bad stuff. Of course they also add new content/features most of the times but stay true to the original.

Just look at the Witcher series:

Witcher 1 was good, Witcher 2 was great, Witcher 3 was even better.

Release dates:

- 2007
- 2011
- 2015

No full price EA bull**** also. And CD Project is now one of the most respected company by gamers. They started also as a real indie game company and are still indepentend but of course not small company anymore because of their deserved success.

TW also started as a very small indie company, but they aren´t small anymore and they sold a lot of Bannerlord EA copies and still aren´t able to improve the game in a meaningful way, instead we got this refactor...

"This is a generic game developement backstory"

You played it years ago I assume, hence this big redirecting post. Try and play it today.

Lol, mate.

?? Yes Bannerlord lacks features AND STILL has better gameplay than Warband. Not a downsight on WB either, it's just too dated to compete with 2020 technology. Just look at battle limits, WB's 150 vs BL's 1000. No one in their right mind is going back to Native WB with 75 vs 75 battles.

 

[MostBlunted]

You played it years ago I assume, hence this big redirecting post. Try and play it today.



?? Yes Bannerlord lacks features AND STILL has better gameplay than Warband. Not a downsight on WB either, it's just too dated to compete with 2020 technology. Just look at battle limits, WB's 150 vs BL's 1000. No one in their right mind is going back to Native WB with 75 vs 75 battles.

Nobody is saying that the Bannerlord engine isn´t better. We are talking about the core features and gameplay, not about the battles.

That´s why I said, just give me Warband with the Bannerlord engine.

BTW, I played it 2 weeks ago, but only for like 5-6 hours.

 

[stevehoos]

There's a lot of bugs in the Beta 1.4.3

I had my units all go to zero health all of a sudden out of nowhere. I had food so it was not that.

 

[danEN]

Nobody is saying that the Bannerlord engine isn´t better. We are talking about the core features and gameplay, not about the battles.

That´s why I said, just give me Warband with the Bannerlord engine.

BTW, I played it 2 weeks ago, but only for like 5-6 hours.

Battles are arguably the core gameplay. But anyway what core features do you think are better in Native Warband? I haven't played it in years so all I can think of is companions, other than that every feature in WB I could think of that are better than in BL were ones effected by mods e.g diplomacy.

 

[ste636]

My take on the whole WB-BL comparison, is that a modded WB should have been the de facto benchmark for Bannerlord.

The most popular WB mods, clearly show what kind of features the playerbase prefer, TW just had to look it up and copy/paste.

Sometimes I seriously ask myself if they actually play their game or not.
The whole story thing for example....surely there must be some who love it, I would say new players, but I bet only the 0,01% of WB veteran players can cope with it.

About the EA publish, i would have preferred honesty from theirs side, what they said and the sheer price of the game, drove me to think that it really needed only "OBSCURE BUGS" to be fixed...but total honesty won't make you rich, I know well, my clients love me, but surely I ain't rich

 

[daxiapi777]

I said it once, and I will say it again. Do not expect TW to make a great M&B game. It simply does not work like that. TW is still, in its soul, a small, indie, workshop kind of a studio, very far from the modern gaming companies. Their greatest achievement is presenting a unique and successful formula to the gaming industry - flesh out mounted combat experience. That is the unique selling point of the series, that is the reason people willing to sink dozens even hundreds of hours in the game in the first place. If you look for something more than that, do not expect that from TW, because they are not good at it. It is the modders' 'destiny' to enrich the game with other features.

Bannerlord is fine as it is, it is a promising mod base with great mounted combat experience. Just wait for the modders to make the game great. DO NOT have misplaced and unrealistic expectations with TW.

 

[Cri11e]

?? Yes Bannerlord lacks features AND STILL has better gameplay than Warband. Not a downsight on WB either, it's just too dated to compete with 2020 technology. Just look at battle limits, WB's 150 vs BL's 1000. No one in their right mind is going back to Native WB with 75 vs 75 battles.

I'm happy to know you're content with Bannerlord. Hf

 

[MostBlunted]

My take on the whole WB-BL comparison, is that a modded WB should have been the de facto benchmark for Bannerlord.

This!

Bannerlord is fine as it is, it is a promising mod base with great mounted combat experience. Just wait for the modders to make the game great. DO NOT have misplaced and unrealistic expectations with TW.

That´s the wrong attitude! I paid TW for the game not some modders who are doing awesome stuff in their spare time!

That´s not how games should be developed!

Unrealistic expactations? I just want TW to fix all the broken stuff and add some of the content they have shown in their dev blogs and on the Gamescon. Also they need to improve the AI.

Is that too much I ask for? I´m not demanding that they make an MMO out of this game or whatever.

But I don´t want to rely on modders to fix/improve the game. That´s the job of the company that got the money.

Take games like Rimworld, it´s totally fine if you play it vanilla. Mods just add stuff, change stuff or improve stuff. But you don´t need them to enjoy the game. That´s how it should be.

 

[Pickingupmyteeth]

I said it once, and I will say it again. Do not expect TW to make a great M&B game. It simply does not work like that. TW is still, in its soul, a small, indie, workshop kind of a studio, very far from the modern gaming companies. Their greatest achievement is presenting a unique and successful formula to the gaming industry - flesh out mounted combat experience. That is the unique selling point of the series, that is the reason people willing to sink dozens even hundreds of hours in the game in the first place. If you look for something more than that, do not expect that from TW, because they are not good at it. It is the modders' 'destiny' to enrich the game with other features.

Bannerlord is fine as it is, it is a promising mod base with great mounted combat experience. Just wait for the modders to make the game great. DO NOT have misplaced and unrealistic expectations with TW.

This just doesn't make any sense i'm sorry. When Bannerlord came out on early access there was an astronomical number of players playing it in the Steam charts, the game's price was the same as a fully finished triple-A title. They made more than enough to expand their studio if they wanted to, in order to make good on their game.

 

[Timmortal]

After the last update which is all about multiplayer, and which i never use, i'm truly disappointed. Where is the new content for the single-player game? The base-foundation seemed so promising when it was released, so many good ideas to build upon, but it's as if a freezing winter has blown over the land and frozen everything in time. There's almost no substantial progress at all, which has me increasingly alarmed, will there ever be any progress other than constant, minor tweaks of what is already there? I bought two copies of this and i honestly wish i hadn't.

Should have read what they said before you bought the game then, your own bloody fault, they clearly said early access. They have said the early Access would likely take a years time, Covid19 will likely put some extra time on that.

 

[MostBlunted]

Should have read what they said before you bought the game then, your own bloody fault, they clearly said early access. They have said the early Access would likely take a years time, Covid19 will likely put some extra time on that.

Yea, around a year. We are soon at 6 months and there is so much stuff missing that they will never finish it in 2021.

Also if you read the description you think this game is closed to be finished:

If you read their EA description you think this game is closed to be finished and just need some polish and bug fixing.

I´m talking about stuff like this in their description:

Singleplayer Features: Several planned single player features may be missing or incomplete. These include but are not limited to: full game controller support, some skill and perk effects, crafting, some aspects of sieges, and clan, army and kingdom management.

When it was released only like 5-10% of the perks/skills were working and we are still far away from "some" are not working...

While the early access version is very much stable and playable, players can expect to run into some obscure bugs and other issues while playing that we intend to locate and fix before the full release.

“In terms of content, the early access version of the game contains all of the main staples of the Mount & Blade experience,

Just three examples.

As someone already said, they want to make unique scenes for all castles/towns, they did one since EA release. They want to overhaul all perk trees they didn´t have done half of them yet. And so on....there is no chance that they will finish it in around a year since release.

 

[daxiapi777]

This just doesn't make any sense i'm sorry. When Bannerlord came out on early access there was an astronomical number of players playing it in the Steam charts, the game's price was the same as a fully finished triple-A title. They made more than enough to expand their studio if they wanted to, in order to make good on their game.

You are talking about what things are supposed to be whereas, in reality, they just do not work like that, with TW, of course. You are wasting your precious time and passions on a gaming studio that cannot deserve them.
If it is any consolation, try to think like this. When you paid £40 on Bannerlord, you are not just paying for the base game, you will also get all the awesome mods which, I might add, are a must to complete your gaming experience.
My piece of advice is: recognize the reality, save your frustration, adjust your expectation, enjoy the game as it is, and look forward to mods, especially those total conversion ones. Trust me, I have been through all these, and I feel much better now.

 

[Lesbosisles]

I feel you, OP. Got really disappointed with the progress, especially after 1.4.3 which made the game totally unplayable for many people and there was no solution or any news on that for a long time. Besides, according to the devs the refactor process should've made it easier for them to detected and eliminate bugs, but for now I see that it added some new critical bugs and broke all mods as a bonus. Disappointment.

I dont understand why people who hate the game are still here.

Because we don't hate it, we don't hate the game, stop saying this nonsense. We are not satisfied with the development course, we provide feedback on it and very often we are ignored

 

[danEN]

I'm happy to know you're content with Bannerlord. Hf

Not at all, extremely disappointed actually. If you don't count the beta I don't even have 90 hours in the game, but am I going to sit here and act like Native Warband's gameplay is better because of nostalgia, no. Warband is literally my most played game ever, doesn't change the fact that it's well past it and has been carried by mods for a large part of it's life. Without mods I'd have a few hundred hours in the game, with mods it became thousands. Bannerlord will be the exact same.

 

[MostBlunted]

So you´re fine paying 40-50€ five months ago to just wait so the game gets playable? Nice!

And you expect modders to fix this game and make it good? Those are guys who do this for free in their spare time.

I´m thankful this game has modders, but I don´t expect them to make it playable, I expect the company who sells the game for 49,99€ to make it playable!

What if the modders will go to another game? Of course this won´t happen, too many people love the concept, but we shouldn´t rely on guys fixing the game in their spare time for free if we paid 40-50€....

Most of the mods I used before this awesome code recatoring aren´t updated yet, I´m not mad at the modders. I´m mad at TW that they can´t improve the game with updates.

 

[Kipsta]

The game isn't as bad as people make it out to be, it mostly works for all intents and purposes, but lacks content. Biggest deep flaw right now is the awful siege ai pathing which even mods probably won't be able to fix, besides that I agree that I would have never imagined the game to be developed at the pace we are witnessing. All I can think is that they are still swamped with dealing with bugs and then there was the awfully timed code refactor which brought nothing to the table for players. The idea that now the rest of the content can be developed easier almost sounds sarcastic at this point when all the campaign content we received since release was creating your own kingdom and a couple of quests.

You are always expecting them to come out with some awesome sneak peaks, now the content starts rolling kind of mentality, we were holding back this and that, now the finishing touches... NOPE there is nothing to expect, nothing to look forward to. I do believe many of the missing features and content will come, but not within a year. This game's development is painful to follow, seriously. This is why people are so toxic, too.