Kobrag 说:
If Greece didn't want to pay back money, they shouldn't have taken it so lustily and misused it so drunkenly.
I think the legitimate chance of absolving the debt is to have the government of the time prosecuted. =/
they weren't "lustily" taken. i have yet to meet a single person who has taken a loan
out of germany. these are generalities, that make people in greece really dislike
some foreigners and create a hostile climax, both in european countries of the north
and greece.
the problem has a lot to do with germany.
things that greece can be accused of:
1st: creating an army of public employers. they were originally created by some political parties,
in order to maintain a respectable voting base. the parties that are hugelly responsible for this, are
the "new democracy party", which is a right wing political partie (now going more and more to the
extreme right. and p.a.s.o.k (left wing socialist partie in the past, now going to the right).
2nd: Leaving corruption rule over everything in the state mechanism. not excluding private sector.
3rd: a mentality that sadly, in *some* percentage of the population, is explaines as
"let's save our ass, and let the others drawn. and also a sense of false superiority
that *some* people have over strangers.
Things that germany and some other countries/organizations/banks can be accused.
1st: lending *not* their money, but money from citizens through loans, that were given
to some people and banks here. this takes some analysis.
This money given through the e.u and the tro'i'ka, has never reached the people of greece.
the vast percentage of every dose of money that greece receives is gone to the debt. that means
that the money the e.u gives greece goes to repay the same loans that the e.u gives.
after that some money goes to help banks, owned by a very small elite.
and then the rest goes to thepensions and the health system.
the percentage that reaches actually the greek people is much smaller than 8%,
and the money which is given to pay the loans, through taxation ofthe
population is hugelly bigger than the percentage
that is taken for social issues.
the ammount of the debt is now something like 300 billions ( i think 320), this debt has already been paid
by the greeks. the debt doesn't go down to interest that is added every year for every separate loan.
2nd: the corruption is largelly due to foreign countries and the e.u.
i will give an example of how things work here. a few years back, the minister of defence made
a competition of buying submarines from germany. the germans made an offer, while
*bribering* several officials ansd ministers of that time. the order itself was hugelly overvalued for
what was offered.
and the submarines themselves were leaning on the sides! the sailors at the time used
to reffer to them as "moving coffins".
the result was that the country had taken things, that didn't need, in a debilitating price,
because of corruption. but the corruption wasn't single sided, it was a two-way thing.
imagine that mentality in every single transaction that greece has made.
Olympics 2004, the road of athens, the road of salonica, siemens, just
to mension a few.
the post is getting very long, so i stop.
*a small statistic thatwillclear a lot of things: the annual income (GDP),
of greece since 1990 is at average about 58 billions. from this annual income
about 30-40 billions each year goes to the repayment of debts.
if 1990 is considered as the starting year of the downfall,
greece has given about 750 to 1 trillion euros for this. yet
the debt is not shrinkig! it grows each year.
And do you know what? Even if your example is true, bribing is corrupt on both sides. The briber does not magically transform the bribee into a corrupt individual. Hell, quite often the bribee is fishing for the bribe.
