Great sword vs Bastard sword

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meleeattacker

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What's the difference really? Why do some people use heavy bastard sword/bastard sword in dueling? 90%+ people use the greatsword, so is the bastard sword just to be unique? And is there a real difference between heavy bastard sword and the normal bastard sword?
 
Bastard swords can be used in combination with shield, but as two hander they are faster than great swords. I think that's why some people like them. Great swords, however, obviously do more damage and at longer range.
 
Bastard sword is faster, and I've got chamberblocking down pretty well with it. The timing is a bit different for chamberblocking with a great sword.
 
In a battle, a bastard sword can be used with a shield (mainly to block arrows, not actually fight with) I duel with a heavy bastard mainly because that way I'm not a "greatsword noob" as I call them in vent. The only time I've used a great sword in dueling was against "TwoWorlds" because he was damn good, and was using a great sword. Normally I have no problems beating my opponent with my heavy bastard despite the range loss.

Oh, and I find the chamberblocking timing is pretty much the same between the two. I think the Great Sword is a tad slower, but it still doesn't fail me when I chamber.
 
First off I'll come right out and say that I'm an elitist. The greatsword is an expensive crutch weapon that really takes little skill to rack up an enormous amount of kills. It has an absurdly prohibitive cost that makes it all but a gimmick in any respectable battle server (you will be rightly targeted by every semi-sentient archer and opportunistic cav player on the map). As such, whenever I feel like getting 20+ kills with approximately no effort (or if I just want to keep one hand on my **** while playing) I'll buy the greatsword. On duel servers, you see a lot of people using it because of its enormous range and almost guaranteed 1 shot ability. Heavy bastard swords and, to a lesser extent, normal bastard swords are used for their still superb damage and superior speed on the greatsword, but you need to be very careful of positioning vs a greatsword user as the reach of greatsword makes it deadly a fair distance past the standard range of either the HBS or BS. Two handed swords are faster than greatswords, have excellent damage, but still lack the extreme reach the GS possesses. The 2hS is also very reasonably priced, which makes it more feasible to use outside of the limited environment of dueling. As such, this is why I stick to the the BS, HBS, and 2hS. In summary,  the GS doesn't promote learning of a controlled style, rather - anyone can get away with dealing killing blows that would never occur with any other possible weapon in multiplayer. When people don't learn and rely on the weapons stats to win they are going to be screwed in any competitive situation where he or she doesn't have access to that weapon.

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EDIT: The above is not to say that all Greatsword users are skill-less noobs, but I would definitely not reccommend the GS to someone who is trying to learn the game because it doesn't teach the player the fundamentals they need to be great with any of the other multitude of weapons in the game.
 
Reach doesn't have that much to do in duels between skilled players, however, so the Greatsword's advantage there is nullified as after the first strikes combatants usually stay close to each other..
 
Well in battle the bastard sword is good to have because you can use it with the shield.

In duels, I don't use the greatsword mainly because I only use weapons that I'm going to use in battle matches. Also, it is a little on the lame side. I get bored of duel servers when everyone only uses the longest weapon possible.
 
Bastard Swords in battle with a shield?
Yeah, good luck when you have to fight against 3 enemies at the same time. Bastard Sword + Shield + free onehander is the way to go.
 
doomsayer said:
Bastard Swords in battle with a shield?
Yeah, good luck when you have to fight against 3 enemies at the same time. Bastard Sword + Shield + free onehander is the way to go.
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The bastard sword + shield is good for fighting archers. It's faster to put away the shield than it is to pull out a 2h weapon, or so it seems to me. Otherwise I would use 2h sword + shield all the time.
 
Orion said:
meleeattacker said:
Reach doesn't have that much to do in duels between skilled players
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Bull****. Reach control is a primary component of my dueling style, and I've had more than my fair share of duels with other skilled players.
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As marnid so eloquently stated, reach is an enormous factor in combat. The devs know this and sensibly slapped the Greatsword with the enormous 1.1k price tag. Watch players like IG_M, myself, Marnid, Rhade, Akmar, and Fortinbras for starters if you want to see some good examples of reach determining fights. (Apologies to the skilled Euros I have overlooked)
 
I agree with orion and lordhasek . There are plenty of players that are great at manual blocking/feinting so I find reach comes into play more against highly skilled players.
 
Mr.X said:
In a battle, a bastard sword can be used with a shield (mainly to block arrows, not actually fight with) I duel with a heavy bastard mainly because that way I'm not a "greatsword noob" as I call them in vent. The only time I've used a great sword in dueling was against "TwoWorlds" because he was damn good, and was using a great sword. Normally I have no problems beating my opponent with my heavy bastard despite the range loss.

Oh, and I find the chamberblocking timing is pretty much the same between the two. I think the Great Sword is a tad slower, but it still doesn't fail me when I chamber.
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Bastard sword is just one point faster than greatsword, but greatsword range is 120 really a lot for that speed and damage, the only reason for using a bastard sword is beacause of the shield combined use, butyou get an insane penalty for using bastard sword with only one hand. So basically it's kind of pointless preferring bastard sword over greatsword if not for price reasons.

Greatsword has become the ultime weapon for duels for a reason, it forgives so many mistakes by the player it became easier to use for the beginner to the average to the expert player. So many times I see people thought skilled failing hard with another weapon such as a one hand, or simply another 2 hands weapon. It pretty much standarized duels and made them insanely boring to play with its superior effectiveness against any other weapon. I think something needs to be done to balance things. The entire duel mode is dominated by greatsword.

 
LordHasek said:
Orion said:
meleeattacker said:
Reach doesn't have that much to do in duels between skilled players
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Bull****. Reach control is a primary component of my dueling style, and I've had more than my fair share of duels with other skilled players.
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As marnid so eloquently stated, reach is an enormous factor in combat. The devs know this and sensibly slapped the Greatsword with the enormous 1.1k price tag. Watch players like IG_M, myself, Marnid, Rhade, Akmar, and Fortinbras for starters if you want to see some good examples of reach determining fights. (Apologies to the skilled Euros I have overlooked)
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I've fought IG_M, and he's not better than I am. Albeit, he's good. The rest of those I've never seen in duel servers. The reason reach hardly matters is because a) facehugging and b) it's easy to block swings that come from the maximum reach, because you have the most time to react and they're the most obvious. The most skilled Euros I've seen (TheNarrator, Phyrex, Seigneurr_Thor, Seigneurr_what'shisface, Lila, Wierdo, etc.) haven't really been using the reach either, at least not noticeably. The deadly swings and thrusts never come from maximum range, due to how easy it is to chamber and/or block those.
 
meleeattacker said:
I've fought IG_M, and he's not better than I am. Albeit, he's good. The rest of those I've never seen in duel servers. The reason reach hardly matters is because a) facehugging and b) it's easy to block swings that come from the maximum reach, because you have the most time to react and they're the most obvious. The most skilled Euros I've seen (TheNarrator, Phyrex, Seigneurr_Thor, Seigneurr_what'shisface, Lila, Wierdo, etc.) haven't really been using the reach either, at least not noticeably. The deadly swings and thrusts never come from maximum range, due to how easy it is to chamber and/or block those.
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I'm willing to put your first claim to the test :). PM me if you'd like to arrange a series.
 
IG_M said:
meleeattacker said:
I've fought IG_M, and he's not better than I am. Albeit, he's good. The rest of those I've never seen in duel servers. The reason reach hardly matters is because a) facehugging and b) it's easy to block swings that come from the maximum reach, because you have the most time to react and they're the most obvious. The most skilled Euros I've seen (TheNarrator, Phyrex, Seigneurr_Thor, Seigneurr_what'shisface, Lila, Wierdo, etc.) haven't really been using the reach either, at least not noticeably. The deadly swings and thrusts never come from maximum range, due to how easy it is to chamber and/or block those.
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I'm willing to put your first claim to the test :). PM me if you'd like to arrange a series.
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Things are getting tense now... ; D
 
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