GK Must Change

[Lord Rich]

Have to say I think you're looking in the wrong place for players. I think only a small fraction of competitively minded players have come from siege in Europe. Many went to battle servers or DM/TDM servers more directly, people on siege don't care about the small focused skill based stuff as much, they're there for the huge spectacle of hundreds of players fighting over castles and fair enough to them.

My suggestion would be to do as Robo suggests and focus on the small scale stuff. Make a quality server for DM or TDM with good quality maps and maybe some unique server mod to spice things up. I don't think you will effectively leach many good quality players from GK so your best bet is to focus on growing the current community around some decent fun servers.

 

[WinniedaPooh]

My opinion on the GK servers is that I could give little to no ****s to what their combat speed is I play on GK siege maybe once a month if no one is on POM in the early mornings or I'm sick and everyone is pursuing their life so they aren't on Warband. I do agree though that the recruiting thing might want to be a little lax. I propose recruiting on GK servers and I say this for a couple reasons

1. According to a member of GK that was said a few months back on GK TDM while he was recruiting someone, (I forget who the recruit and the recruiter was), GK had 100+ members. I bring this up because I can't seem to find a list of GK members anywhere on the TW forums, this might be because I'm too lazy to search in depth but I am going to trust a GK member to be honest with their clan's information. If you guys really have 100+ members you really do not need any recruiting, there are many capable GK players and GK servers where you can teach some of your players and have absolutely no difficulty with forming a team or even multiple teams as I know GK had done in the past. If GK does not really have 100+ active members as what was stated by a GK member then that is unfortunate honesty should always be included when recruiting new players.

2. The community is dying, it is true I have been trying to give support to other clans and make the community a little more closeknit through several ways, I do not believe any have been a major success.

3.  Every player should have the chance to experience competitive play on Warband. I say this because the competitive side of Warband is so much different from the non competitive side. I know there a certain members within the community that have tried clans and competitive play and found it boring and not to their liking which is reasonable, not everyone can be expected to enjoy something but this is only a small fraction of players, and there are so many more players that may not have the chance to play competitively should recruiting stay closed on GK servers.

4. I rarely even see GK recruiting players on their servers anyway, infact I have seen it once in the event stated in reason one. Now I'm sure that most players probably go to the GK forums and apply because I know GK has a decent amount of people and if the recruiting habits are only to what I have seen I highly doubt that you guys actually go out and make it a goal to recruit players.

These are the only reasons I care to share publicly, I have others but if I even choose to pursue this even further I would tell Chainsaw or Sparhawk directly. If GK does choose to change the rules though to allow recruiting make it no mass recruiting, this being maybe 2 or 3 players within a day because recruiting any more would cause:

1. watered down clans
2. annoyance to GKs
3. annoyance to anyone that would be around the recruiting

Personally it sickens me to see recruiting of a clan that already has their fair share of players. Seeing recruiting just annoys me for really no good reason, a clan must do what they have to do to stay around. Unfortunately right now clans are somewhat forced to recruit since not many clans have the fame or numbers to have people come to them. The clans that do have that kind of fame are very closed in their recruiting or are leaving Warband until Bannerlord. I hope my reasons are considered. I of course will not force GK to do anything but opening recruitment to their servers would help the community tremendously I feel should a clan step up and take the offer.

Also Winne I do have high respects for you  to have stayed around even after many others gave PoN crap. All clans within the community deserve a chance to get somewhere and with the way things are going it seems that most new clans will and the old clans will either hold on or disappear. One thing with your post though is that you cannot demand and force the GK to do anything. I simply just recommend they change something I'm not going to start a whole thread about it. I think this is something you might have wanted to keep a little more private, but if you want it done this way it is totally up to you

Agreed. Although looking back i got into this thread too much when i was maling thw thread and i should of worded things different and relized how harah i was. Specially with the title. But intially this post was to gather everyone's opinion and say on the topic not just mine a few other people and the gk lords. I do plan on talking ti the lords now that alot of data have been gathered and opinions shared

 

[XeleonPrime]

GK Siege is the most well-run server in NA, hands down.

 

[ACanadianPolarBear]

cant we all live together in peace and embrace our love for memes?

 

[RS_Navlaan]

I don't really see the problem. Players should be able to play fastest or fast or slow or what have you. Many players play cRPG and native, and they are mostly different speeds. it takes about 2 seconds to adapt.

 

[e27]

I like GK

 

[XeleonPrime]

cant we all live together in peace and embrace our love for memes?

yamyams*

 

[Catholic]

Yeah, it would be cool if GK changed its recruiting policy and speed. So what? I'm not the guy paying the bill for the server. If GK wants to run its server on Slowest 2000 gold, they're bloody allowed to.

 

[dman248]

    Gk hurting the community with their rules and standards. To begin with they have all of their servers on Medieum Combat Speed so thats what all the players that play on their servers are used too. It's easy for a guy who plays on Fastest Combat Speed servers all the time to go on GK and get to the top of the leaderboards and annihilate a bunch of people on Medium Combat Speed servers. Although a player who plays on ANY GK server all the time can easily be on the top of the leaderboards kill everyone on their servers, but the moment they go to Fastest Combat Speed server they are at the bottom of the leaderboards and get annihilated.

Being in GK for over 3.5 years and leading it for over 2 years, I'll add my insight to this debate.

Medium speed doesn't hinder anyone from learning the game. I played siege 98% of the game on siege and still became one of the top players. Changing the game speed is something that has been debated to death within GK. Simply put the majority of the clan is fine with the speed it is and the server seems to being populated with the settings it has had since the beginning. The major reasoning is that Fastest breaks the combat, swings become glitchy and in my personal opinion warband should be played on medium.

    Also the second issue of things is how GK doesn't allow recruiting on their servers. Now I have asked why they don't allow recruiting, and they have told me " cause you don't go on someone else's server and recruit." Now as much as that is true they are themselves hypercritical, other people alone with myself have seen GKs go on USA_Central_POM and try to recruit people. So tell us GK why will you prevent recruiting on your servers, when you know the NA competitve scene is fading away and you run the most populated servers in the community, but yet go and recruit on other people's servers. You guys prevent clans to recruit on your server and where do they have to turn. They could create their own server and recruit on there, but only get like 5 players a day on it because everyone is on GK. You basically make it impossible for new servers to start up. This is a issue that has to stop, GK is preventing new clans to start up within the community and hurting players more then they are helping them.

In alot of online games, servers ran by clans/communities typically have a no recruiting rule. GK isn't just a warband clan, its a community with over 100+ members active and 150-170 total(Figures might be off have not had access to the list in a long time). Warband might have brought them together but there are alot of games that get played together in there community. GK is a community not a close knit clan, they actively run events on there server to recruit more people and they are allowed to have there on set of rules on recuiting. There have been exceptions to the rules such as the rebels where allowed to recuit on the server.

On the issue on recruiting on POM, not once (In my knowledge) has GK been approached by a POM admin and told to stop recruiting. GK would have abide by this just as they expect you to abide by there rules when you play on there servers. GK is not perfect but nor is any other clan/server within this community.

And lastly GK pays the bill each month to run the server as they seem fit, and it seems to work.

 

[Kohath]

If I come to your server, Winnie, and yell at you to change the combat speed to medium, would you do it?
And can I come to your server and start spamming recruitment messages?

I completely understand GK. As it is extremely annoying with all the recruitment messages. If you want to help the NA community grow, stop bashing on other clans and behave like an adult. I know it's hard for you as a PoN, but give it a shot.

This thread is simply a rage-thread by a butthurt NA member, which we have seen so many times before.

 

[Courtney]

Oh you definitely would NOT want to recruit any player from GK Siege right now. The number of competent players have gone down dramatically since I first played there 3 years ago. Really the only problem I currently have with the server is the childish behaviors from some of their admins. Some other issues include significantly lower framerates that I'm experiencing now on their maps that didn't happen before, probably due to their favoring large heavily-detailed maps and 100 players compared to 60 back then. But these are only minor issues to me. I don't have a problem with their medium speed, even though it initially takes me a small amount of time adjusting to when coming from POM. I also agree with other posts saying that this game plays better on medium speed rather than fastest, mainly due to glitches in swing (i.e. occasionally not seeing the animation of a swing) and spamming.

IMO, if they did not have some of those ban-happy admins in the past, the server would still be full of very skilled players. Unfortunately, many of those players are now gone, partly from getting sick of dealing with some of those admins, and are now replaced by trolls and noobs, thus causing them to maintain the strictness. As for recruiting on their server, their server their rules. When the Rebels was still a young clan, they let us recruit on their server but we were an exception because snoop and I were well-known siege players then and had formed a good relationship with their leaders at the time.

 

[WinniedaPooh]

If I come to your server, Winnie, and yell at you to change the combat speed to medium, would you do it?
And can I come to your server and start spamming recruitment messages?

I completely understand GK. As it is extremely annoying with all the recruitment messages. If you want to help the NA community grow, stop bashing on other clans and behave like an adult. I know it's hard for you as a PoN, but give it a shot.

This thread is simply a rage-thread by a butthurt NA member, which we have seen so many times before.

Combat speed wouldnt change and yes I would let you recruit but if you were going to be annoying like that I would limit you to only 1 recruitment msg per Map. Second most people recruiting are more respectable ( plus if you are recruiting you don't spam that's just makes you look childish) and usually more smart with there recruiting.

 

[WinniedaPooh]

Oh you definitely would NOT want to recruit any player from GK Siege right now. The number of competent players have gone down dramatically since I first played there 3 years ago. Really the only problem I currently have with the server is the childish behaviors from some of their admins. Some other issues include significantly lower framerates that I'm experiencing now on their maps that didn't happen before, probably due to their favoring large heavily-detailed maps and 100 players compared to 60 back then. But these are only minor issues to me. I don't have a problem with their medium speed, even though it initially takes me a small amount of time adjusting to when coming from POM. I also agree with other posts saying that this game plays better on medium speed rather than fastest, mainly due to glitches in swing (i.e. occasionally not seeing the animation of a swing) and spamming.

IMO, if they did not have some of those ban-happy admins in the past, the server would still be full of very skilled players. Unfortunately, many of those players are now gone, partly from getting sick of dealing with some of those admins, and are now replaced by trolls and noobs, thus causing them to maintain the strictness. As for recruiting on their server, their server their rules. When the Rebels was still a young clan, they let us recruit on their server but we were an exception because snoop and I were well-known siege players then and had formed a good relationship with their leaders at the time.

Ok yes siege is a the most populated server of the group but we're talking all servers.

 

[LeRoux]

Seems a case of "Their server, their rules" to me. Pretty ****ing simple.

 

[Rhade]

I feel like everything that needed to be said was done in the GK rap. Educate yourselves.

But if you really ****ing must go five pages about this dumb ****, let me put it to bed:

This game is plagued by a pretty telling situation where people look to individual servers as if they owe the community something, which at first, sounds like it's an unfair assessment. But when you realize the only thing holding up the community and, in a larger sense, Warband NA MP, is basically two servers: POM and GK Siege, it's a little more understandable. In healthy, populated competitive games, people would just leave the ****ty servers and go find better ones, and natural selection would leave ****ty servers to die from inactivity. However, because Warband is such a dwarf of a scene, it has the controllers of these servers having massive amounts of influence because no one else gives a **** to spend the time or money to provide alternatives, so they own monopolies and control by default. Not because they know what's best for the game, not because they have the community's best interest in heart, not because they are in any way deserving of that power and influence outside of the fact that they pay the ****ing server bill. You can make an argument about there being a moral obligation to do x or y because the influence they have, but it really doesn't matter because at the end of the day it's not up to you. Because it isn't your server and if both these servers were taken down or they decided to add mods that made you play with dicks instead of swords, you'd either need to do that or host your own server, and the majority of the community doesn't care enough about Warband to really give a ****, they'll quit out and play some CS or something.

I'll be the first to say that GK is a bunch of *****es, most of their w keys are broken, they have some of the worst administration I have ever seen, and are pretty ****ty in general, but again: they pay the server bill, they'll do whatever the **** they want.