Giving troops to lords tweak?

[ddrake]

Hi,
when you are helping a claimant in a rebellion you can give troops to lords. If they are in a town / castle the troops will be garrisoned there. Fine.
Question is: is there a tweak to have this happen when you are serving the official King?
Maybe this option has been deleted because the player could become a training machine and provide NPCs with large amounts of top tier troops. Still it's quite frustrating when a castle is given to Lord Baboonhead who has 200 men and he garrisons it with 20 men and rides away. 
Being able to directly garrison a town / castle without a lord as middleman would be even better...

 

[Lord Shields]

You can garrison troops in a castle or town. I guess I don't understand your question.

Being able to directly garrison a town / castle without a lord as middleman would be even better...

As it is now, if you own the castle or town, enter it and garrison troops through the option in the main town menu. If you're talking about garrisoning troops in another persons castle/town for their sake... pfft. Let them handle it on their own. You, worry about you.

 

[ddrake]

You can garrison troops in a castle or town. I guess I don't understand your question.

Being able to directly garrison a town / castle without a lord as middleman would be even better...

As it is now, if you own the castle or town, enter it and garrison troops through the option in the main town menu. If you're talking about garrisoning troops in another persons castle/town for their sake... pfft. Let them handle it on their own. You, worry about you.

Sorry, I didn't make this point clear: the castle or town would NOT be owned by me, but by some other lord of my faction

The point is that they dont handle it...

And that castle / town may be the keypoint of my stategic plans... 

 

[Lord Shields]

I've found that so long as there's a few dozen men there, the enemy wont siege it. That's if it belongs to the AI. If it belongs to me, and I piss them off enough... they usually are pretty relentless with the sieges. 30-50 guys should be ok... more is better of course, but unless they're being attacked left and right, then you should be ok. If they are constantly under attack, camp out there and catch the attackers before they lay siege. That way they wont be back for a while.

 

[Seismica]

I've found that so long as there's a few dozen men there, the enemy wont siege it. That's if it belongs to the AI. If it belongs to me, and I piss them off enough... they usually are pretty relentless with the sieges. 30-50 guys should be ok... more is better of course, but unless they're being attacked left and right, then you should be ok. If they are constantly under attack, camp out there and catch the attackers before they lay siege. That way they wont be back for a while.

Every time i have been given a castle, regardless of the garrision, it has come under siege within a week of owning it. I thought i would be smart earlier, by capturing a load of Vaegir lords before i was given one. So i took it, and no Vaegirs attacked me. But then the Rhodoks decided to attack me instead. They came the entire length of the map to take back a castle that did not belong to them 

As for the thread question;

Lords garrison castles differently to you. Instead of taking troops out of their army, troops periodically appear out of nowhere. This does not happen to the player. (but it does in certain mods, not sure which ones, but i know some do)

 

[ddrake]

So I guess there are no tweaks to make the game behave as in Claimant quest? Strange... 

 

[Seismica]

If you ask someone with modding experience nicely they might look into it for you. I don't know who could because i havn't had the game or been on these forums for long, but i'm sure it has the potential to be tweaked. After all, this feature is available in some mods (i think), and the feature is in the game already, so it shouldn't take much to change it.

 

[TheGreatest]

im kinda confused about what you want....in the title it is giving troops to the lords but you are always talking about castles in your posts.
I never did any of the claimant quests but in some mods (like star wars conquest) you can give troops to your ally lords all the time.

 

[Seismica]

im kinda confused about what you want....in the title it is giving troops to the lords but you are always talking about castles in your posts.
I never did any of the claimant quests but in some mods (like star wars conquest) you can give troops to your ally lords all the time.

yeah, he wants to be able to give troops to lords, and also give troops to lords for garrisons (i.e. instead of giving them directly to a lord, just go to their castle and add them to their garrison)

What you should never be able to do though, is garrison troops in other lord's castles as you would in your own. I'm sure in real life a lord would not allow it if there were troops in his settlement not under his control, it would undermine his authority in the settlement. So if you garrisoned your troops, they would come under the other lords control, and you would never get them back.

If you do want to garrison your troops in other castles and keep them under your control, then that is unreasonable, i think it would ruin the game a bit, take away the point of taking a castle for yourself really. But there will be a way to do it.

 

[ddrake]

Ok, I'll try to explain myself better... 

During Claimant quest you, as Marshal, are allowed to give your own troops to other lords. Of course once you give them you won't control them anymore, just like in the 'train some troops' quests.
This is especially helpful when few lords join your rebellion. This way you can provide them top tier troops so they too can be effective (the player trains troops MUCH faster than any lord).
When a lord is in a castle, no matter if his own or some other allied lord castle, if you give him troops the soldiers wont get into his party but into the castle / town garrison. Of course you lose control of these troops too. But may be good when the castle is too weakly garrisoned and you want to protect it better.

All this is NOT possible in Native if you aren't doing the Claimant quest. Even if you are Marshal.

What I would like is a tweak to make this always happen. Being the Marshal of a faction would be a reasonable requirement but I don't know if implementing this condition would make the tweak harder to be made.
Giving troops directly to castle garrison (without need of a stationed lord) would be even better but since that's not how the claimant quest arranges things I guess this would be harder to be done.

I really don't know a thing about modding and get lost in all those little numbers. Seems strange that no one has done it yet. It isn't in the tweaks list anyway.

Thank you for your help, regards

 

[Seismica]

A quick skim of the 82 tweaks thread brought me to this:

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,46290.msg1233871.html#msg1233871

I think thats what you're looking for

But garrisoning in other lord's castles (whether they remain under your control or not) doesn't seem to be possible

Maybe there is a way to make all castles open the same script/menu as if the castle belonged to you, even if it doesn't. That would allow you to add troops to other Lord's garrisons (and take from should you wish ).

 

[ddrake]

A quick skim of the 82 tweaks thread brought me to this:

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,46290.msg1233871.html#msg1233871

I think thats what you're looking for

But garrisoning in other lord's castles (whether they remain under your control or not) doesn't seem to be possible

Maybe there is a way to make all castles open the same script/menu as if the castle belonged to you, even if it doesn't. That would allow you to add troops to other Lord's garrisons (and take from should you wish ).

Yeah!! Thank you I missed that!
I owe you free beer... oh! uhmm... * sees Seismica faction = Nord * mmmmmm, let's say caviar and champagne. Will be cheaper.... 

I'll try that but hopefully it will behave just like when in claimant quest. So if lord is in a (allied) castle it will be the castle garrison to receive troops, not the lord...

Thank you again