Give TW a break guys.

[Andrei[beast]]

Damn, regarding what @Fietta said is this just going to turn in another "refunded after n k hours" thread?
It can't really by like that because OP actually interacted in this so yeah, maybe it won't turn as bad as that one
Hopefully...

People on these forums have no common sense which is why I find it funny to watch 2 sides fighting eachother endlessly for absolutely no reason

It's kinda getting repetitive and boring ain't it?

 

[Delinard]

Well despite some annoying bugs and missing vital features like education and sucession, game has entered "playable" state for me

 

[Lord Grindelvald]

Spicy. Let's calm down please; less talk about each other and more on the topic of the OP. Unfortunately, threads like these tend to derail between two sides, one being the pessimist, the other being the optimist. I understand it from either end, the development and communication is awfully slow, embarrassingly slow. Whilst on the other hand, wait until EA is finished. I was lucky to have access to the Alpha, and ultimately haven't seen too much change, but I'm still hopeful and ultimately am waiting to see how the game turns out after EA. The vast amount of flame hasn't amounted to anything thus far, the development team have their own path, and **** flinging won't change it.

I can wait, maybe so could you?

Funny how you manage to flame the game while encouraging others not to flame.

"Guys, I know you are either left or right and thats okay, but everyone on the left sucks ****. But if you're on the left, I get it. You're just wrong and I hope you die. Live in peace and harmony."

 

[Andrei[beast]]

Well despite some annoying bugs and missing vital features like education and sucession, game has entered "playable" state for me

Well, education comes the next beta and maybe succession later?
Atleast we know that the next 2 updates we have mexxico's progress with snowballing and dev team's with the rebellion, so there's that.

 

[Ettenrocal]

waiting -> blogger lord saga -> disappointed -> waiting -> constructive criticism -> disappointed -> waiting -> useless forum thread -> disappointed -> waiting -> playing Bannerdlord few hours -> disappointed -> waiting -> modding warband -> disappointed -> waiting -> doing nothing -> found serenity.

 

[Fietta]

Funny how you manage to flame the game while encouraging others not to flame.

"Guys, I know you are either left or right and thats okay, but everyone on the left sucks ****. But if you're on the left, I get it. You're just wrong and I hope you die. Live in peace and harmony."

Flame the game? It's a genuine concern and has been since I've played the alpha; what I said contained no real 'flame'. You're also taking what I'm saying to an extreme. I'm not saying the game is bad, you're just trying to fit your motive and narrative and attempting to cause an unnecessary argument for the sake of it.

The game isn't bad, but the development process and communication is, it's as simple as that. Should people be concerned? Yes, should these concerned people wait instead of flaming? Yes. Having an opinion on the development process isn't flaming, having valid criticism is fine, but going out your way spamming threads saying how **** everything is, isn't constructive. Constructive criticism isn't flame; insulting is.

 

[Andrei[beast]]

Flame the game? It's a genuine concern and has been since I've played the alpha; what I said contained no real 'flame'. You're also taking what I'm saying to an extreme. I'm not saying the game is bad, you're just trying to fit your motive and attempting to cause an unnecessary argument for the sake of it.

The game isn't bad, but the development process and communication is, it's as simple as that. Should people be concerned? Yes, should these concerned people wait instead of flaming? Yes. Having an opinion on the development process isn't flaming, having valid criticism is fine, but going out your way spamming threads saying how **** everything is, isn't constructive. Constructive criticism isn't flame; insulting is.

Telling people to wait might as well lead to them starting flaming by the reason that they waited yadda yadda years just for yadda yadda game
Again, starting to get annoying

 

[Fietta]

I think people don't realise that the process was never "they spent years making Bannerlord", it's more like "they spent a couple years developing it on the warband engine, scrapped it, created a new engine and started developing Bannerlord with the mount & blade team growing over time". 7 years seems awfully reasonable if this was the case. Again, this doesn't really fit their narrative.

 

[danEN]

Our monthly dose of a chaos thread and nobody's fighting.

 

[Dr-Shinobi]

Telling people to wait might as well lead to them starting flaming by the reason that they waited yadda yadda years just for yadda yadda game
Again, starting to get annoying

Well some people just like to complain for the sake of it....However i can share the concern of the progress and how they handled it. But then on the other hand listening to all that constant **** posts is for sure getting old. As i cant understand how people just go on for so long time without trying to at least provide with something or moving on, is what i call beyond stamina ^^

 

[Bloc]

This type of threads are nothing but simple flame-baiting threads. I don't understand why moderators are keeping them open.

There is nothing constructive about saying "Hey guys, don't criticize the game. Give them time. I am just tired of seeing everyone *****ing about how bad they are " First of all, every type of criticism = good for the game. Even the ones you consider "crying". Unless you have 51% share of Taleworlds, you have no right to shut people down when they state their mind ( ones that are following the forum rules ofc )
People complaining about the slow development process? Good. It means TW can make some adjustments internally. People want a certain feature and declaring this many times? Good. It means TW can change the priority order. Bannerlord isn't getting made by 3 teenagers in their parents' garage. They have their own agenda and brains. Peoples' suggestions will not magically halt their development and break the game.

Here is a 2000 IQ conversation which you can see in this forum quite often:

- This is not working its broken or this is a feature that was supposed to be in-game
+ Game is in EA duh'??
- Okay but fix that please TW it's breaking the game or making it look weird
+ STOP CRYING, GIVE TW A BREAK
- ???

Pointless

 

[Cevapsız Sorular]

-1 loyalist

 

[Dr-Shinobi]

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Strange ive been looking out for these type of fanboi comments quite often but cant see them as much...maybe once or twice.... as well as that Warband Cult as some youtuber mentioned. I must be on the wrong section

 

[Fietta]

This type of threads are nothing but simple flame-baiting threads. I don't understand why moderators are keeping them open.

There is nothing constructive about saying "Hey guys, don't criticize the game. Give them time. I am just tired of seeing everyone *****ing about how bad they are " First of all, every type of criticism = good for the game. Even the ones you consider "crying". Unless you have 51% share of Taleworlds, you have no right to shut people down when they state their mind ( ones that are following the forum rules ofc )
People complaining about the slow development process? Good. It means TW can make some adjustments internally. People want a certain feature and declaring this many times? Good. It means TW can change the priority order. Bannerlord isn't getting made by 3 teenagers in their parents' garage. They have their own agenda and brains. Peoples' suggestions will not magically halt their development and break the game.

Here is a 2000 IQ conversation which you can see in this forum quite often:


Pointless

Actually on the contrary, these threads are usually good for collating people's opinions on particular issues (that is, if you remove all the **** flinging in the process). I personally, am not one to lock a thread for simply sharing an opinion, even if they usually amount to derailment and flame; I'd usually hand out a verbal warning, if **** flinging continues, an eventual lock. The majority of these threads aren't created for flame-baiting, that's just usually what they end up becoming, but that's not the OP's fault.

Criticism is always welcome, when it's constructive. Saying something like "Bro archers are so ****" is never 'good for the game' as you suggested, it's more-so a bait and provides little to no insight on why they're not good - it's just blatant flame because someone's angry.

 

[Bloc]

Actually on the contrary, these threads are usually good for collating people's opinions on particular issues

I need an example for this. I have seen a lot of "don't go hard on TW" type of threads with zero criticism in it and there was hardly a discussion about an issue with the game.

Saying something like "Bro archers are so ****" is never 'good for the game' as you suggested

I disagree. I don't know your background but as a person who worked on Game Development both professional and personal projects, I can clearly say that it's good for the game. And it's such special feedback that, many user-centric software doesn't have the chance to get it so that they have to pay tons of money to UX researchers to get it. But for TW this is coming for free.
So, It is some form of feedback. You like it or not, its a feedback and criticism. Does it lack information depth? Yes. But still gives you an idea. And that's valuable for developers and Product Owners ( in SCRUM process, not the person who owns the game )
Lets go with your example. Archers. No person would come up and say that line if they weren't annoyed by that. If you see more people saying "Bro archers are so ****" after your recent update in parameters in MP, it doesn't require too much time to realize that you messed up something in balance. So what's the next step in that case? Ask what exactly makes them "****" to the user - if someone hasn't already provided that feedback.

As I said, as long as people follow the rules of the forum, they can say that. Its also not flaming because it's not flaming anyone in particular. It's literally a statement about something in the game. At most, it would be a line to flame game developers. It's not the duty of other forum users to say "No bro you ****" or something similar. Not the person states that archers are bad, but the other person that is insulting the first guy is the flamer and should get the punishment.

 

[STcloz]

They have had a break of one month.
Chop-chop, get to work.

 

[Fietta]

I need an example for this. I have seen a lot of "don't go hard on TW" type of threads with zero criticism in it and there was hardly a discussion about an issue with the game.


I disagree. I don't know your background but as a person who worked on Game Development both professional and personal projects, I can clearly say that it's good for the game. And it's such special feedback that, many user-centric software doesn't have the chance to get it so that they have to pay tons of money to UX researchers to get it. But for TW this is coming for free.
So, It is some form of feedback. You like it or not, its a feedback and criticism. Does it lack information depth? Yes. But still gives you an idea. And that's valuable for developers and Product Owners ( in SCRUM process, not the person who owns the game )
Lets go with your example. Archers. No person would come up and say that line if they weren't annoyed by that. If you see more people saying "Bro archers are so ****" after your recent update in parameters in MP, it doesn't require too much time to realize that you messed up something in balance. So what's the next step in that case? Ask what exactly makes them "****" to the user - if someone hasn't already provided that feedback.

As I said, as long as people follow the rules of the forum, they can say that. Its also not flaming because it's not flaming anyone in particular. It's literally a statement about something in the game. At most, it would be a line to flame game developers. It's not the duty of other forum users to say "No bro you ****" or something similar. Not the person states that archers are bad, but the other person that is insulting the first guy is the flamer and should get the punishment.

I think we both disagree on what warrants flame and what criticism is actually beneficial and what causes more issues than benefits. Any whom, as long as this thread is what us moderators deem 'fit' for criticism, the thread will stay up a little longer. Currently though, it seems it's going in the direction of derailment and flame.

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So, as a final warning (directed to everyone), stay on topic.

 

[danEN]

I need an example for this. I have seen a lot of "don't go hard on TW" type of threads with zero criticism in it and there was hardly a discussion about an issue with the game.

Positivity is not always a negative and criticism isn't always a positive.

Developers are people after all, you cannot expect them to just sift through criticism and sometimes even hate comments everyday and not be affected by it. A balance in positivity and criticism is key to development.

 

[Dr-Shinobi]

What was the topic again?...right give TW a break got it....Take 5 TW

 

[Lord Grindelvald]

Flame the game? It's a genuine concern and has been since I've played the alpha; what I said contained no real 'flame'. You're also taking what I'm saying to an extreme. I'm not saying the game is bad, you're just trying to fit your motive and narrative and attempting to cause an unnecessary argument for the sake of it.

The game isn't bad, but the development process and communication is, it's as simple as that. Should people be concerned? Yes, should these concerned people wait instead of flaming? Yes. Having an opinion on the development process isn't flaming, having valid criticism is fine, but going out your way spamming threads saying how **** everything is, isn't constructive. Constructive criticism isn't flame; insulting is.

I was entertained by what you said in your previous post and used a hyperbolic statement to make you understand what I read in it.

I dont disagree with the contents of your message, dont get me wrong. What entertained me was how you unknowingly got your point across in a hypocritical sense.