getting frustrated by an elite band

[akuthia]

So i've just started a game with this mod, but i'm having a problem w/ one of the knight factions (exiled empire or something like that). they're agressive and i'm kos to them. i'm running around with mostly starter gear, and about 2 dozen recruits or militia, so i have a few questions. first of all, am i kos because of my alliegence? i did recently sign a contract with green (fairngard i think)? or is everone kos to them? secondly, is there a file i can modify to change my faction standing to start?

i did do a search just for elites and didnt see anything relavent.

 

[noosers]

Learning by doing, the hard way. Since you´re new to this forum I reckon you´re rather new to the game as well, guessing especially from your questions. PoP is one of the harder mods out there and punishes inexperienced players, or those who´re too accustomed to MRPG behaviour (hoho, look! Goblins! *****, I´m gonna smack thee down with my mighty club!) and do not learn by experience.

You can´t beat them yet? Run from them or lure them somewhere you can beat them. Renegade Knights are definetly among the enemies you WON`T engage early game. With your two dozen recruits/milita you´re better off hunting bandits and run from anything NOT a bandit party. After you gained some experience and a better party, you´ll see how those minor faction parties hunting you right now will run off you. That´s about the point when you can actually start engaging theml and look to a rather positive outcome for you instead of beeing taken prisoner.

If you already signed up a contract witha  faction, sneak around your fellow lords and engage battle somewhere they are reinforcing you.

Absolutely EVERYONE out there playing this mod the first time gets utterly defeated, kicked and robbed till he realizes Heretic Parties and anything containign a horse is no match for your precious militia and recruit horde.

So no need to either become desperate or try tweaking anythign at all, just play and learn. And check this forum and especially the wiki. This may help you greatly along with asking questions. Keep in mind, this isn´t native. It was designed to be difficult and keep it that way throughout the game. Which it does a way better than native.

And Kos, btw, is an island in the mediterran sea belonging to Greece.

Edit: And just to make your fail a bit more epic, the Renegade Knight minor faction (where the Exiled Empire Knights belong to) are FAR from an elite band. After all, all they usually get are 3 Knights, though the Legionnaires tend to be more deadly than ever.

Just keep away from them. Try harassing the border-region between green and yellow. It´s a way more safe as starter region than the heartland of the Empire. Keep off the Vanskerry parties till you get a decent share of ranged missle units, preferable blue ones. Don´t train any green faction recruit into an archer. Waste of effort. Make them infantry, axemen, armored axers and huscarls. No need for the warrior upgrade, just a waste of experience.

And I´m already starting to explain what I did throughouly in the wiki´s starting tips. So please go there and enlighten yourself.

 

[akuthia]

well, i'm not sure the snipes at my gaming pedigree are needed,but I appreciate the tips, i'm honestly glad they are meant to be that way. unfortunately, runnin is not an option, they're too close, and too fast compared to my slow foot soldiers, even with sacrificing a few people to retreat, it basically gives me one step, and they're on me again, while tanking  my morale..

i have been staying within the general area of my rulers, but these guys came from no where, hypothetically, and even if i stay in the village, i dont get any villagers help.

i'm sort of a born again m&b player, i got the game initially about 2 years ago when it was still in an unfinished state, and fell out of it after a while but was able to figure out my email i had registered the game with and was able to get my serial number and picked it back up. sort of shopping around for the mod i like most
as for the wiki, i have looked at it,and i honestly think it's poorly designed, too many blank pages as you drill through the sub menu on the side. since i'm on my phone i dont think i could navigate it.

 

[Ravenheild]

Stay away from any mini faction early on in the game. That goes double for the Jatu.

 

[etoManiak]

use save and load options at start at least. Leading an army in Pendor its way more difficult than you expect)

 

[noosers]

Yes, the navigation isn´t the best there, but it contains useful information, so once you got access to a pc, check it out, especially the companions page, and the tips and hints.

As for your current problem, disband all but 10 of your milita´s. If that doesn´t provide you with enough speed to run from the Renegade Empire Knights, disband even more. Start picking up companions, make the cash by trade and farming the weaker bandit parties. Or if you simply want to do it the classic way, get raped and start over from scratch

Which you´d better do anyways as I am advising to pick up either Sarleon (red) or Ravenstern (blue) for a beginners game. They are the most easy to play and strongest factions (read: balanced, good infantry, top archers, to cav), whereas Fierdsvain is mainly infantry, Empire heavy infantry and crossbows (and the low-tier units aren´t doing much good), and D´Shar general crappy with a few exceptions.

Training skill is your friend, as is the training ground. Grind your fresh recriuts up a level or two, till you got a half your troopers ranged combatants and the other remaining lot useful infantry. Once you hit that stage and got roughly 10-15 archers and 10 infantry, go picking vanskerries. You´ll be able to beat them now if you start with the smaller warbands. Good loot, good money, better equipment for you and your heroes.

Before you reach that troop alignment, scourge the area around Ravenstern. Mystmountain Bandit parties, the ones who have only 1 or 2 Mystmountain Warriors and a lot of scumbags. If you need money, do a quick trade run from Fierdsvain towns up to Poinsbruck and back picking up goods as you sell them, fur, iron, meat and fur. vs. fish and linen.

Once you got yourself started, get some heavy cavalry units either by upgrading sarleon or ravenstern recruits to faction Knights, or by recruiting the various nobles in the taverns and upgrade them to Hero Adventurers or Pendor Knights. And once you got like 5 Knights together with the rest of your army those Renegade bastards are a piece of cake and great source of wealth!

 

[Ãbyss]

Get a cheap long lance,a decent shield,a courser.

Learn lance skillz.

Problems solved.

~Ãbyss

 

[akuthia]

Get a cheap long lance,a decent shield,a courser.

Learn lance skillz.

Problems solved.

~Ãbyss

My lancing skills are most excellent, sir....

My horse riding, and survival skills of not trying to tramp through the MIDDLE of the army, are however, found wanting

 

[hgghg4]

Don't make me bring out the wet noodle!

 

[noosers]

My lancing skills are most excellent, sir....

My horse riding, and survival skills of not trying to tramp through the MIDDLE of the army, are however, found wanting

Well in that case you better realise you aren´t Mr. Hobo-the-Invincible-Maniac-and-his-undestroyable-Horsie-of-Doom but a rather vulnerable fellow who will share the same fate as any cavalry soldier trying to charge through a line of disciplined infantry or into a horde of enemy cavalry. You lose the initial momentum and advantage of the charge you´re dead meat, especially with an unprotected horse at early levels.

 

[Ãbyss]

You ought to run in circles around the enemy,skewer once in a while those who aren't aware of you,and poke the rest,rinse & repeat..

~Ãbyss

 

[hgghg4]

I prefer to send my heavy infantry in and pick off the enemy from afar with a bow

 

[Sushi]

Well in that case you better realise you aren´t Mr. Hobo-the-Invincible-Maniac-and-his-undestroyable-Horsie-of-Doom but a rather vulnerable fellow who will share the same fate as any cavalry soldier trying to charge through a line of disciplined infantry or into a horde of enemy cavalry. You lose the initial momentum and advantage of the charge you´re dead meat, especially with an unprotected horse at early levels.

Of course, that all changes once you've leveled up a bit and gotten some nice equipment. Right now, I am Mr. Hobo-the-invincible-maniac. I just tend to do most of my fighting on foot, with my lightning-quick balanced runed bastard sword and demonskin armor. At this point, about the only thing that can regularly ruin my day is those Noldor archers.

 

[noosers]

Wait for Boris and his funny friends.

 

[hgghg4]

Wait for Boris and his funny friends.

or Maltise and the dread legion... even with 200 ebs its a tough fight

 

[Ravenheild]

Wait for Boris and his funny friends.

Borris spawned one day for me and later that day it said he was annihilated.

 

[Ãbyss]

I remember killing boris and his hundred what how much knights of raven spear with like 20 fine men on my side who perished in the first stage of battle,with my long lance,trusty horse,AI set to low,and the beautiful circling and poking strategy.

~Ãbyss

 

[Ravenheild]

My guess is that he found an enormous army on the warpath.

 

[noosers]

Boris spawned one day on top of me 5 seconds later it said that I was dead. Most marvellous and precious memory of betatesting at all.

 

[etoManiak]

Last night the Maltise and all her undead friends were defeated by my "only me and NPC-s" death squad. Took me only 3 hours of surgical work with the lance)

Casualties on my side:
20 NPC-s (20 wounded)
one computer mouse (killed)
4 beers (3 consumed, 1 spilled)
2 packs of Marlboro (1 smoked, 1 wet because of the beer spilled on it and thus thrown away).