Geroia and Harlaushia

[stratusfear]

thats easy to solve, make it a little bigger, and speed up the time that passes as you move on the would map. ATM i believe it takes around 2 days to get accross the map which i agree seems a short time to get round 3 mountain ranges and traverse snow, grass and desert 

 

[Asen]

Slavery abhorred in the other factions?  How do you figure?

Aren't they all going to get boats?  That would mean a need for rowers in the galley.

 

[Asen]

Alright.  Fair enough.  My point stands--the notion that only certain types of societies or regions should have slavery is absurd.  Slaving is one of the interesting little sidegames.

Now if only I could get some real money, ransoming back enemy nobles, selling caravan masters for more than the rate for peasants...  If that got deepened, it'd be incredible.

 

[The_Invincible_Knight]

Some interesting ideas here... I wonder if armagan is watching...

 

[Lt. of the tower]

Some interesting ideas here... I wonder if armagan is watching...

Armagan is always watching, for he sees all.

 

[calandale]

My searaiders row their own damn boats. We use our slaves for farming and the rowing of trading ships.

Damned straight. No navy worth it's salt
would use slaves as oarsmen.

 

[Sanzo84]

Some interesting ideas here... I wonder if armagan is watching...

Armagan is always watching, for He sees all.

There I fixed it for ya! Don't forget how awesome He is compared to us mortals.

Well, if some of our ideas are implemented ingame that would be great! It's not everyday that game developers actually listen to their fans/customers. Especially developers to an increasingly AWESOME game! 

 

[Asen]

Damned straight. No navy worth it's salt
would use slaves as oarsmen.

Someone should tell that to the Romans.  And the French.  And the Barbary pirates.  And the Turks.  To name just a handful.

Trust me, I agree with Machiavelli--a citizen army is ideal, but "no navy worth its salt"?  Let's be fair.  Slavery's certainly immoral and inhumane, but it also has the upside for those who aren't in chains.

 

[calandale]

Someone should tell that to the Romans.  And the French.  And the Barbary pirates.  And the Turks.  To name just a handful.

Yeah, I know. There was a severe shortage of men willing
to serve in that position, especially in the late middle ages.
They just tended to be problematic. And when faced with
navies of equal size, which didn't, they fared poorly.

Much better to have oarsmen who were armed.

 

[Asen]

No doubt, slavery is a military liability.  All I'm saying is that it had its perks, in the view of most military strategists, for more than a thousand years.  Of course, the Romans had a screwy view of the whole thing--basically most of their ships were boarding craft.  In the end, better for the men at the oars to be able to fight too.

 

[Cirdan]

Damned straight. No navy worth it's salt
would use slaves as oarsmen.

Someone should tell that to the Romans.  And the French.  And the Barbary pirates.  And the Turks.  To name just a handful.

Trust me, I agree with Machiavelli--a citizen army is ideal, but "no navy worth its salt"?  Let's be fair.  Slavery's certainly immoral and inhumane, but it also has the upside for those who aren't in chains.

The Romans did not rely exclusively on slave labour for their galleys, and sometimes followed the practice of the Greeks for whom rowing the fleet was a form of military service for those who couldn't afford weapons. Or they just hired professional rowers, since their navy tended to be organised on ad hoc basis.

The French, Spanish, etc, did not use slaves as oarsmen but convicted criminals. In large battles (e.g. at Lepanto) they were usually armed and their sentence could be reduced if they fought well. The Turks and Barbary Coast pirates did use slaves as rowers, but in several instances (Lepanto, again) this proved to be a disadvantage.

EDIT: this distracted me from my original intention. I believe Harlaushia is evidence that King Harlaus has gone megalomaniac on us!

 

[Asen]

As far as the French, it's a matter of slavery versus life imprisonment commuted to life spent in a galley.  Tomato, tomato.

 

[Dryvus]

I like the idea. The only thing I would stipulate is that the name Harlaushia be changed to something more distant from Harlaus. It just sounds hackish and cheesy. I mentioned this a long time ago, but was spit on...

 

[Attila!]

hımmpffh...  I've always thought about these two as the names of two regions(like calradia) instead of cities.

 

[The_Invincible_Knight]

They could be... but I doubt that armagan has the time to create two different realms.

If someone was willing to create a mod in which they were realms that were connected to Calradia... then it'd be a different story...

 

[calandale]

Heh, with a way to transport troops. 

 

[lumikant]

I don't think the Harlaushia/Harlaus thing really matters. There are cities named after people everywhere, and perhaps Harlaus is as common as William in Calradia.

 

[Lt. of the tower]

it probably would have taken me ages to realise that if u didn't say it.