Germanic Shield I made :)

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jacobmjl

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Good day Ealabor  :grin:

I made a Germanic Shield I wanted to share as I felt it would fit into this mod and I wanted to share.
http://www.filefront.com/17792051/Germanic Shield stuff.zip

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I would be honoured if you included my modest shield into you incredible mod.

Thanks
 
I like it a lot. I really hope it does look this good in-game though. No idea if there's any difference once you port it (I guess texture resolution is reduced).

The only thing I would point out that doesn't please me as much as the rest is the texture in this part here:
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But anyways I don't understand anything about modeling and probably it would look great in-game either way.

Great job! How did you learn how to do this stuff?
 
Thanks everyone  :grin:

I learnt it from the many excellent tutorials available on this forum.

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,24463.0.html
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,11531.0.html
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,66989.0.html
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,109766.0.html
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,14245.0.html
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,48092.0.html
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,6146.0.html
 
I think that shield is great and of course it would fit well into this mod for Germanic tribes.
Excellent job jacobmjl! :smile:
 
jacobmjl said:
Thanks  :grin:

hmmm now where did Ealabor go?  :grin:

The same problem is on my side...i asked him something about this mod and no answer yet,but i saw him online and don't know what's the problem of unanswering the questions.  :cry:
 
Well it certainly is an interesting shield, and its fairly nice considering you haven't been modelling/texturing for long?


Although the boss is inaccurate however.
 
Came from http://www.armae.com/antiquite/boucliers_et_lances/bouclier_germain.htm

Used the photo texture from the source

Hmm...theres no side photos but from straight on it does look sorta spiked?

Theres also a blunted rounded spike boss at http://www.wulflund.com/armour/shields/shield-bosses/ Scroll down

Thanks for the compliment anyways  :grin:
 
Yeah I'm just curious the time frame of such a shield for one thing.

At the time of the mod, pretty much most of the Germanics are iron deficient so to speak. So it would be odd place to have some running around with ironless tipped spears, but with iron bossed shields with what looks like 6 industrial sized bolt heads tacking the boss to the shield.

Certainly be curious to know more on the shield, and to which tribe and time frame it is supposed to be attributed.
 
Hmm anyhow feel free to salvage my model or texture and modify it for how ever you want.

You see this? http://iron-mitten.blogspot.com/2008/02/shield-designs-for-celtic-and-germanic.html

Shield designs

Cool stuff, his blogspot has a lot of neat stuff.

Man, that guy is a good artist. I love his cartoonish style drawings of history
 
Ya.. I have seen something simliar awhile back.. but a good find none the less.

Thank you for your contribution. :smile:
 
I must say I think the "iron deficiency" of the Germanic tribes is possibly a little bit of Roman propaganda - the Hjortspring find for instance is from a 100 years or so before this mod, but there's plenty of iron, including several coats of mail, many spearheads and a large number of swords. Of course, that said, the shields found there DO lack iron bosses.

Later (migrations age) Germanic shields sometimes have spiked bosses of that sort. Don't know if that's where they take the idea from.
 
Hmmm.. good analysis on your part, although I do not know if I agree with it... your assumption is valid in that the Romans did in fact crack the code on Information Operations/ Psychological warfare allowing them to gain a marked advantage over their enemies. If the absence of critical metals was included in their Psychological campaign.. it would have placed a heavy burden on the hopes of any Germanic resistance groups making them less effective against the Roman Legions... 

Go Roma.
 
Not really "psychological warfare" - just a dodgy observation by one Roman historian (Tacitus, who mentions that the Germans have little iron), who probably never met any actual Germans and almost certainly never went to Germania - just met a few Roman soldiers who may have exaggeratedly told him that the Germans were badly equipped (which they were compared with Roman soldiers.)

The sad truth though, is that the archaeological evidence (i.e. we've found loads of iron stuff, including lots and lots of iron weapons) doesn't agree with his statement. After all, if the Germans didn't have much iron, it would seem staggering that they would throw so much of it away in bogs, as at Hjortspring. Not to mention that the Hjortspring find is generally agreed by archaeologists to be the equipment of one warband (it comes with their boat, and was presumably deposited by the victors in battle). It included several mail coats (in fact more than 1/10 of the force seems to have had a mail coat), 10 swords, and over 100 iron spearheads (almost certainly each warrior carried more than one). Many of the spearheads are massive as well, which again seems unlikely if people were particularly lacking in iron reserves. You would make them as small as possible.

This isn't really iron poor - no more so than the early middle ages really, and while it means that German warriors didn't usually have much more than a spear and shield (few of Rome's barbarian enemies did) they weren't cavemen with hardened sticks, nor significantly worse equipped than the Gauls, Britons, Dacians or other northern types.

So, sarcasm aside, the choice is really between believing archaeology (i.e. actual stuff we've actually found) or one sentence in the writings of a Roman intellectual who probably never met a German, never mind actually went there and saw things for himself, and whose ideas of what "lacking in iron" meant could be interpreted in various ways.
 
Yeah I think we went round and round about that in the Germanic thread, having included Hjortspring into the discussion.


The conclusion that myself and Alpha came to, having researched Hjort from various sites, even before it was discussed in the thread, and considering what historical citings we have, was that overall they were deficient in contrast to say, the Gaul on a broad scale.

Factions have 5 troop trees, so this was easy to represent with one of the trees really being the mark in regards to "iron sufficient"
 
ealabor said:
Yeah I think we went round and round about that in the Germanic thread, having included Hjortspring into the discussion.


The conclusion that myself and Alpha came to, having researched Hjort from various sites, even before it was discussed in the thread, and considering what historical citings we have, was that overall they were deficient in contrast to say, the Gaul on a broad scale.

Factions have 5 troop trees, so this was easy to represent with one of the trees really being the mark in regards to "iron sufficient"

And E. are these factions going to be same from 1.011 M&B or some of 'em not in Warband version?

Roman Republic 
Gaul Federation
Dacia
Kingdom of Pontus
Pergamon
Kingdom of Cyrenaica
Nabataea
Taurican City-States
Syracuse
Massalia
Kingdom of Brigantia
Kingdom of Scythia Minor
Tribes of Illyria
Numidia
Kingdom of Epirus
Tribes of Iberia
Tribes of Sarmatia
Macedonia
Seleucid Empire
Tribes of Germania
Carthage
Chremonidian League
Ptolemaic Empire
Belgae Confederacy
 
tenis15 said:
Think you forgot the Hellenic city states

That's Chremonidian League.

And if ealabor can answer,are those factions present for Warband version of Hegemony 268.B.C?
 
I hope the shield will be added, looks accurate. I agree with spongly, apparantly there was enough iron in the ground. I think Tacitus text more reflects to the fact that some Germanics prefered the use of the club over the sword, would make someone not accuinted with the region think its inhabitants don't have enough iron.

And yeah that finding also says enough.
 
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