Gender Theory

[Mage246]

Fun fact, men who have their penis amputated are twice as likely to feel a phantom penis than transsexuals who have their penis removed. Brain just considers it not part of the body? Dunno.

Fun fact, the brain is a clever thing that is quite capable of tricking itself or immediately suppressing unpleasant stimuli. Who knew? Ah, right, everyone knew that.

 

[Caba`drin]

隐藏: The Genderbread Person (large diagram)

Funnily enough, the countries which have not yet invented terms like "gender identity" and are not trying to demonstrate that orientations which before would have been called as "untraditional" are normal, are often the countries where most of people identify as the gender they are born as and are heterophile. Of course, for liberals it's a huge benefit because PK give them more power over people which simply disagree with them.

I'm not even sure where to begin with this post. I guess the only thing that could be constructive would be to point out the misuse of "normal" and note that 'normalcy' isn't really a concept used in the social/cognitive sciences where various forms of identity are being studied. If you mean that these sciences are demonstrating that non-heterosexual persons are not disordered in some way and are thus 'normal', then yes, studies are demonstrating that other orientations are 'normal'.

And you might consider that in cultures/places where heterosexuality is more-or-less imposed, beyond the hetero-normativity in even the most 'liberal' Western countries, that there are still individuals who are not heterosexual...and they get stoned to death, or imprisoned, or gassed Hitler-style...so there's probably a pretty strong incentive to try and mask one's identity.

And for the non-constructive bit...is it "liberals" or "conservatives" who are looking for power over people that disagree with them in telling those who disagree who they are and how they can or cannot live?

 

[Archonsod]

And for the non-constructive bit...is it "liberals" or "conservatives" who are looking for power over people that disagree with them in telling those who disagree who they are and how they can or cannot live?

Given there's now scientific evidence proving conservatives tend to have a low IQ, I don't think it matters.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

Yeah but IQ is just pseudoscience.

 

[RalliX]

And for the non-constructive bit...is it "liberals" or "conservatives" who are looking for power over people that disagree with them in telling those who disagree who they are and how they can or cannot live?

Given there's now scientific evidence proving conservatives tend to have a low IQ, I don't think it matters.

Just remember you're generalizing.
In my mind, conservatism isn't the retaining of traditional policy, but a style of governance that encourages wise, and strict policies on financial and state-power. 

Edit:
Read below post.

 

[Austupaio]

That's not the definition of conservative, Rallix.

 

[RalliX]

That's not the definition of conservative, Rallix.

I suppose not. It is simply a part of conservatism that I embrace. (I.E. Fiscal Conservation)
You know, the whole 'anxious to manage carefully that which we have, to prevent problems in the future,' thing.
I now realize I used the term wrong.

Looking at it now, I guess you could say I'm more a right wing liberalist.

 

[BadabombadaBang]

隐藏

See the NDP? There I am.

 

[The Cow Dude]

You're a representative of the NDP? Wow, I didn't know you could be one while below the voting age.

Canada must sure be liberal...

 

[RalliX]

Sadly, that graph is linear.
I liked the 'political compass' much better.

 

[BadabombadaBang]

You're a representative of the NDP? Wow, I didn't know you could be one while below the voting age.

Canada must sure be liberal...

We can vote at the age of -15.

Yes, that's a negative.

 

[Mage246]

Goes well with your IQ at that age!

 

[Seff]

Out of what, exactly? The principle of being obstinate where there's no call for?    Why be annoyed at something that is for you so insignificant but for her so important? I'm pretty sure Athenian is quite capable of withstanding light-hearted ribbing, she's proven that earlier but there's a point where it becomes too much and she's likely dealing with the same kind of crap in her actual life and with this on top it can easily become too much.



Anyway, I do actually agree with what Mage said. If I interpreted it correctly. I think the whole pointless business should be ignored all together and that people should be allowed to live as they want to (provided they're not unconsensually hurting anyone else). Sadly however, this isn't the case in any extant human civilization (that I know of) and untill that is achieved it seems to me that it's simply rude and selfish to actually make a big deal out of such a thing. I mean, how will a society ever come to accept that when you can't even do it over the internet?

Well, I hope that was a bit sensible/comprehensible. My eye is acting up and I've got nommings to attend to.

I dunno, the carebear attitude just pisses me off. Somehow it's annoyingly naive to assume you can make everyone happy, even if that's what one always strives for. Mage is indeed making the most sense here - a fair few of the other guys are stuck in the Political Correctness mud.

 

[FrisianDude]

I dunno, if calling someone a 'she' instead of 'he' is enough to make her happy I'm not sure why I shouldn't.

 

[Seff]

Personal preference? The dislike of being told what to do? The feeling that someone's playing the victim card? The dislike of people without thick skin?

 

[theAthenian]

I'm a carebear, a ***** and proud of it to the core of my bones. And I indeed dislike being told what to do.
Still I'm not gonna give up and try to make as many people happy as I can. And I still think I'm different and speshul, in the meantime making my will the dominant.

There are always gonna be the assholes who will mock ya without doing them any evil. Oh well, gotta move on, got no time for idiocy

 

[AWdeV]

Out of what, exactly? The principle of being obstinate where there's no call for?    Why be annoyed at something that is for you so insignificant but for her so important? I'm pretty sure Athenian is quite capable of withstanding light-hearted ribbing, she's proven that earlier but there's a point where it becomes too much and she's likely dealing with the same kind of crap in her actual life and with this on top it can easily become too much.



Anyway, I do actually agree with what Mage said. If I interpreted it correctly. I think the whole pointless business should be ignored all together and that people should be allowed to live as they want to (provided they're not unconsensually hurting anyone else). Sadly however, this isn't the case in any extant human civilization (that I know of) and untill that is achieved it seems to me that it's simply rude and selfish to actually make a big deal out of such a thing. I mean, how will a society ever come to accept that when you can't even do it over the internet?

Well, I hope that was a bit sensible/comprehensible. My eye is acting up and I've got nommings to attend to.

I dunno, the carebear attitude just pisses me off. Somehow it's annoyingly naive to assume you can make everyone happy, even if that's what one always strives for. Mage is indeed making the most sense here - a fair few of the other guys are stuck in the Political Correctness mud.

Oh come on, you've just now run yourself into two clichés and neiher of them really applies here.

Accepting and applying an absolute minimum to cheer someone up is not a "carebear attitude". It's ****ing polite.
Thinking (and acting on it) that people should be who they feel they are and who they feel they should be is hardly politically correct. I am not conforming to currently fashionable ideas, I'm conforming to my own ideas. It hardly even seems as if it coincides with western ideas at the time. It is seemingly more "politically correct" to try and be politically incorrect. What you're essentially doing here is "Gee, I'm being a selfish **** but that's okay because otherwise it's politically correct and we can't have that so it's perfectly fine for me to be a selfish ****! yaaay!".


edit: to clarify, it occassionaly looks as if some folk ae as dickish or moronic as possible just to avoid the label "politically correct". Which is further exacerbated by idiots who throw it around as if it's some surefire way of proving the person they're discussing something with as "wrong". Like what skyrage was doing in his whinging about immigrants. "I'm not a racist ****hole, you're just being politically correct". Hey, me happening to be politically correct doesn't change you being a racist ****hole, bucko.

 

[Paula]

Mage seemed to be trying to say "well if you think your gender identity is different than what your organs are, you must be crazy."

(and other authors indirectly)

I know it's not quite directly comparable, but if for example a girl is naturally blonde and large chested, and she doesn't agree that she should be called or treated as a dumb barbie doll, is that then crazy too? because it's just that the common opinion/perception is that if you're born looking like a barbie, you are a barbie doll? and if you call and treat her as "the dumb blonde she simply is" (because she's born that way), and she hates that, she doesn't have a thick enough skin and you don't need to care to be all carebear-y? if she dyes her hair and does her best not to look or dress or act like what would be expected from her just by her "natural" outer appearance, you would still go and call her "blonde barbie" because that's her natural state?
Obviously, this example is based on a stereotype, and transsexuality goes a tad further than that, but on the other hand, hair colour and genitals are based on your genes, and do not necessarily represent your personality/identification.

or something or other.

 

[Duke Daniel Milutin]

隐藏: The Genderbread Person (large diagram)

Funnily enough, the countries which have not yet invented terms like "gender identity" and are not trying to demonstrate that orientations which before would have been called as "untraditional" are normal, are often the countries where most of people identify as the gender they are born as and are heterophile. Of course, for liberals it's a huge benefit because PK give them more power over people which simply disagree with them.

I'm not even sure where to begin with this post. I guess the only thing that could be constructive would be to point out the misuse of "normal" and note that 'normalcy' isn't really a concept used in the social/cognitive sciences where various forms of identity are being studied. If you mean that these sciences are demonstrating that non-heterosexual persons are not disordered in some way and are thus 'normal', then yes, studies are demonstrating that other orientations are 'normal'.

And you might consider that in cultures/places where heterosexuality is more-or-less imposed, beyond the hetero-normativity in even the most 'liberal' Western countries, that there are still individuals who are not heterosexual...and they get stoned to death, or imprisoned, or gassed Hitler-style...so there's probably a pretty strong incentive to try and mask one's identity.

And for the non-constructive bit...is it "liberals" or "conservatives" who are looking for power over people that disagree with them in telling those who disagree who they are and how they can or cannot live?

Tbh, I'm not a liberal and neither a conservative, because both of them are populists which are trying to win the one-sided and simple-minded people's favour. I have no problems with gays having the same rights as others, more problems with the fact that people are making propaganda about have normal and modern it are. When I was little, after seing a such propaganda poster which said that it's completely normal for boys to be in love with boys, I even started to think that I wasn't normal as I haven't experienced such things yet. When I told my mother that I was in love with Erik (well I wasn't, but I just wanted to see her reaction), my mother was shoked, but if she was a liberal I would probably be a gay today, if I wanted to. By the way, not all countries which are opposed to it are stoning or gassing gays, in Russia nothing of that are being practiced, and tbh I haven't met a single one there. As I said, as long there isn't any propaganda, same right for gays as for other persons are nothing wrong in itself and I'm not a homophobe.

 

[Papa Lazarou]

But so help me, if there is propaganda, they can kiss equal rights goodbye!