SP Fantasy (Game of Thrones) A Clash of Kings (7.0 released 13th of May, 2019)

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Bloodraven

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Hey there, having a lot of fun with this mod but recently, as I've finally decided to start my own kingdom, I've encountered a problem. Basically, I can't figure out how to actually rebel against the leader of my faction. Tried to use the old method from vanilla where you basically conquer fief after fief while requesting it to be rewarded to you, and when he decides to give it to someone else, you get the option to renounce your allegiance while keeping your fiefs. That's how I remembered it but when I try that in ACoK, I just don't get the option to rebel.

So, am I doing something wrong or does it take a certain amount of time for the option to appear? Thanks in advance!
 

Sergio_Morozov

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Bloodraven said:
Hey there, having a lot of fun with this mod but recently, as I've finally decided to start my own kingdom, I've encountered a problem. Basically, I can't figure out how to actually rebel against the leader of my faction. Tried to use the old method from vanilla where you basically conquer fief after fief while requesting it to be rewarded to you, and when he decides to give it to someone else, you get the option to renounce your allegiance while keeping your fiefs. That's how I remembered it but when I try that in ACoK, I just don't get the option to rebel.

So, am I doing something wrong or does it take a certain amount of time for the option to appear? Thanks in advance!
What do you mean, the fiefs are always awarded to you? Maybe your faction leader likes you too much, eh? And you can rebel through a dialogue with your faction leader.
 

Bloodraven

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Sergio_Morozov said:
What do you mean, the fiefs are always awarded to you? Maybe your faction leader likes you too much, eh? And you can rebel through a dialogue with your faction leader.
No, they are not always awarded to me. That's not the issue. After 2 or 3 fiefs that I've captured and got as a reward, he will eventually decide to give it to someone else. Just as desired. But what's missing now is the option I remember from Warband: that he offers some amount of money as compensation instead of the fief and the option to deny that and instead start a rebellion - resulting in starting your own faction while being able to keep all the fiefs in your possession at that time. I think it said something like "You have been wronged-Defect and keep the castle for yourself."

And now I'm wondering if that option is even in the mod or if it's different than I remember.

 

Evelyn

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Do you not get the letter event at all? If so, make sure you don't request another castle until your first request has already been responded to - there can only be one active request at a time, and requesting a new one will overwrite the old one.
 

Bloodraven

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Evvv said:
Do you not get the letter event at all? If so, make sure you don't request another castle until your first request has already been responded to - there can only be one active request at a time, and requesting a new one will overwrite the old one.
Ah, that might be the issue. I never got the letter where he tries to appease you with some words and money - just the regular text message saying that he gave it to somebody else. And yes, I've been pretty much just conquering one fief after the other without much down-time inbetween. I didn't know that you should wait until he makes a decision before conquering the next one.

Well, gonna try that, thanks!
 

Sessosaidso

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2 quick questions, just started playing.

1) is there an updated troop tree as the wiki says 6.0

2) Knight. If i am the son of a knight, am I a knight? Or is the only way to be a knight to join the army of a lord or become a lord? I havent seen a "knighting" mechanic and i wasnt sure if there is an actual mechanic for it or if it's just head canon thing.

Thanks!

Amazing mod, got my two friends to buy Warband just to try this mod out!
 

Bloodraven

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Now that I was able to start my own kingdom (thanks to Evvv), I wanted to try to persuade some lords to join me. Doesn't the feature from Diplomacy exist in ACoK where you can send one of your companions with a high persuasion skill to a lord? Because I can't for the life of me find the option in the dialogues with my staff members (IIRC it used to be the chancellor where you could do that).
 

Sergio_Morozov

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Bloodraven said:
Now that I was able to start my own kingdom (thanks to Evvv), I wanted to try to persuade some lords to join me. Doesn't the feature from Diplomacy exist in ACoK where you can send one of your companions with a high persuasion skill to a lord? Because I can't for the life of me find the option in the dialogues with my staff members (IIRC it used to be the chancellor where you could do that).
Lately I was not able to find this option as well. Looks like it was disabled in recent versions, or there is a bug preventing it from appearing.
EDIT: But as far as I recall, when it was present it did not attract a lord for me ever. Just wait for them to defect or talk to them personally.

Sessosaidso said:
...2) Knight. If i am the son of a knight, am I a knight? Or is the only way to be a knight to join the army of a lord or become a lord? I havent seen a "knighting" mechanic and i wasnt sure if there is an actual mechanic for it or if it's just head canon thing...
Well, there is no "knight", there is only "noble" for the player, you are a "noble" if you are "son of a knight", otherwise you are a commoner and you become "noble" when you become a vassal to someone or when you become a ruler yourself.

There is also a quest to join an order of "knights", but there are no real consequences to it.
There is also a quest where you can claim being a "knight", but there are no real consequences to it.
There is also a possibility (through "freelancer" mechanics, I think) to become a "knight" troop in a lord's army, but again, there are no real consequences to it.
 

Bloodraven

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Sergio_Morozov said:
Bloodraven said:
Now that I was able to start my own kingdom (thanks to Evvv), I wanted to try to persuade some lords to join me. Doesn't the feature from Diplomacy exist in ACoK where you can send one of your companions with a high persuasion skill to a lord? Because I can't for the life of me find the option in the dialogues with my staff members (IIRC it used to be the chancellor where you could do that).
Lately I was not able to find this option as well. Looks like it was disabled in recent versions, or there is a bug preventing it from appearing.
EDIT: But as far as I recall, when it was present it did not attract a lord for me ever. Just wait for them to defect or talk to them personally.
Oh, alright. Then I'm gonna invest a few points in Persuasion and try it myself. Thanks!
 

Schwarzwolf

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Sergio_Morozov said:
Bloodraven said:
Now that I was able to start my own kingdom (thanks to Evvv), I wanted to try to persuade some lords to join me. Doesn't the feature from Diplomacy exist in ACoK where you can send one of your companions with a high persuasion skill to a lord? Because I can't for the life of me find the option in the dialogues with my staff members (IIRC it used to be the chancellor where you could do that).
Lately I was not able to find this option as well. Looks like it was disabled in recent versions, or there is a bug preventing it from appearing.
EDIT: But as far as I recall, when it was present it did not attract a lord for me ever. Just wait for them to defect or talk to them personally.
Yea, had the same thing, never worked for me either.

Quick question: Is there a use to the dragon egg on Dragonstone? It's worth is 100000 but I could only sell it for 24000 and you know, it's kind of sad to sell a dragon egg.
 

Bloodraven

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Schwarzwolf said:
Quick question: Is there a use to the dragon egg on Dragonstone? It's worth is 100000 but I could only sell it for 24000 and you know, it's kind of sad to sell a dragon egg.
I think its use is just that -  a quick way to make cash/to get some decent gear early on.

Does anyone here know how to recruit those nice Raventree Archers other than getting them as prisoners? Like, is there a way to actually generate them? I recently conquered Raventree Hall and figured you could train them there through the option "Recruit some troops" in the "Manage the Castle"-section but so far only regular Sellsword units were generated. Would be nice to have a steady supply of them.
 

Desdanova

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There things I found unacceptable or out of logic about this mod;

Btw dont get me wrong, I loved the mod and played for hours. Still playing. I just want to point out to things I think they are huge mistakes.

- Being lord of Kings Landing has no impact! What? How could it be man. How do you do this mistake, its Kings Landing. Its center of the story. Its iron throne? I mean.. how?

- If you are a King, imprisoning a lord is suicide. Probably their trade pact cause this but when you imprison a faction's lord other factions relations also reduce and that causes multiple factions declare war to you. You would say whats wrong with this? They are allies. Okay.. but everything is fine while I lay waste their villages, conquer their lands, steal their lords. But imprison one? Woo you cant. It needs to be fixed

- Honor is overpowered. I shouldn't have 100 relation with lords I've never met. (Around 50 is okay I think.)

- I dont think lords' loyalties to their liege is working correctly. After months of suffering they still think "long may he/she reign.." (they may still defect by themselves while they say this) And also guys this is Game of Thrones :razz: World of schemes and plots. We should be able to try convince him to our side nevertheles.

- Being Lord of Kings Landing has no impact

- Not really tested but no unit seemed value to me. They all looks same.

- I dont know the books but after red wedding Roose Bolton should be lord of winterfell and ruler of the north :smile: not vassal of westerlands. (Right now when you do the quest, Ramsay becomes lord of Winterfell and Moat Cailin, ROOSE BOLTON STAYS IN NORTH KINGDOM :grin: ) And also please somehow fix ramsay having stark banner :sad: it makes me sad.

- You cant sell your oilworks. Npc in the enterprise works like mercenary in tavern :smile:

- Kings Landing :=)

- Jamie lannister is full of bugs. (In my game he stuck with 1 soldier and never leaves castle I gave him)

- Changing your kingdoms culture has almost no effect. (Only after conquer a castle or town garrison will have your choice troops but they remove them and generate mercenaries after.)

- Sellsword faction is too expensive then it should be.

- Having Sellsword companies as vassal is a very good idea I liked it. But their relations should fix to 100. Because they are sellswords. I bought them, I own them. I only need to pay them to stay loyal to me, nothing else.

- Making an Unsullied army is slower then conquering whole world. Cmon.. :grin:

- Kings...


I'm gonna repeat myself this is not a rage comment. I love the mod and gonna play after I post this :grin: (I still have a kingdom to rule, kingdoms to conquer). But I wanted to let you know of your mods flaws in just in case you dont aware of it.

Have a good day folks.



 

Sergio_Morozov

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Desdanova said:
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- Honor is overpowered. I shouldn't have 100 relation with lords I've never met. (Around 50 is okay I think.)

- I dont think lords' loyalties to their liege is working correctly. After months of suffering they still think "long may he/she reign.." (they may still defect by themselves while they say this) And also guys this is Game of Thrones :razz: World of schemes and plots. We should be able to try convince him to our side nevertheles.
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- Jamie lannister is full of bugs. (In my game he stuck with 1 soldier and never leaves castle I gave him)
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Honor - You only get that with "Good" lords. And it is from Native Warband. Although maybe it is indeed OP. But it is not ACoK.

Loyalty - The loyalty has somewhat complex calculations behind it, including, among other things, relation to liege and average relation to other lords in the faction. For "good" lords relation to the liege is high and generally would not decline, and average relation to other lords in the faction would be high too if the only lords who stayed are "good". So yes, it is hard to get "good" lords to defect. Again, this is Native design. Unfortunately this is amplified by the bug where defeated (off-map) lords from a defeated (no parties on the map) faction would never "switch" to player's faction (but they do "switch" to other factions). Defecting lords from a dying faction (no fiefs) still do defect to player's faction, but they only defect when there are no other lords from that faction near them.

Jamie has wrong culture assigned, so he auto-disbands units he recruits, one can "fix" this with savegame editor, somewhere in my posts here should be an explanation.
EDIT: Here you go:
https://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,194610.msg9121690.html#msg9121690
 

j4ckz

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Hello everyone, I'm into a long campaign in ACOK (currently past 500th day) and I really must congratulate Cozur for his majestic work  :wink:

However there's one thing that I'd like to know: how can I switch to Targaryen culture?

I know how to change my kingdom's culture but the Targaryen one doesn't show up as a option, and I cannot recruit some of their levies either by the castellan recruits or by myself since the fake Targaryen invasion didn't trigger (don't know if it's on purpose by Cozur) a culture shift of the first fiefs conquered by him (specifically he started with Greenstone and Estermont).

I want to switch to Targaryen culture because of roleplay and I love their archers and zweihanders. Again, I know I can workaround it by assaulting armies with Targaryen prisoners but that's not the point. So I'd like to know the specific path to unlock the Targaryen option in the chancellor's dialogue, or maybe if I can force-change my culture by editing the save file. Thanks  :fruity:
 

JabdiMelborn

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Best Continued Support
A mod which has continued to receive major updates and support, years after its original release
A Clash Of Kings (Game Of Thrones)

https://www.moddb.com/groups/2019-mod-of-the-year-awards/features/editors-choice-mod-of-the-year-2019
:party:

ciauz^^,
Jab
 

ProsteWojta

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So i met this woman in Braavos ( The Black Pearl) and she claims that she is the most powerful woman and a kiss from her would make me more powerful etc. She was speaking about a conquering a city and she would give me a kiss if i do it.. But i didnt get a single quest and when i walk to her she only tells me that she have no time. (yes i was waiting for a long time)

So i am interested where is this going or what should i do or if my game is just bugged?

Thanks for reading and sorry for my bad english.
 

Sergio_Morozov

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She gave you her favor (it either improved your relation with Bravos or increased your renown slightly, I do not recall which).
You promised her a favor in return.
But, currently, she will never ask you to do anything.
This looks like a hook up for a future quest.
(Or maybe a leftover from a removed one?)