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MP Musket Era Modern Full Invasion: Zulu
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The Martini Henri rifle can actually not be compared with muskets and other rifles in the present Full Invasion mod.
This rifle is an easy breachloader so its fast in reloading. But the biggest difference is its caliber (.577!). It just makes a big hole in everything it hits.
I think you should make the Zulu good melee fighters, but without any protection they are easy to kill by bullits and bajonets. Brits should avoid going in rambo style. Fight from behind the grain bags they should be able to repel the attacks as long as their line is not broken. That is the challenge.
On the Zulu weapons.
There were quite a few different spears, but after the Shaka reforms they pretty much standardized the short spear and cow skin shield. They also kept the throwing spear (though they were not used that often, Zulu doctrine aimed at melee and close combat). They also had clubs or maces. (If you equip all Zulu's with throwing spears, the Warband game and th FI mod gives the AI so much accuracy it would be hard to dodge the spears and survive. So you can not follow historical accuracy here)
On the lethality of Zulu weapons:
I believe only 17 Brits got killed at Rorke's Drift, but most of the 140 men defending it were wounded in some way. It shows that it was very likely to survive the Zulu weapons (as long as it did not hit you deep enough to damage vital organs). The bajonet was in that way much more effective. It had a longer reach and could easily make the kill.
This rifle is an easy breachloader so its fast in reloading. But the biggest difference is its caliber (.577!). It just makes a big hole in everything it hits.
I think you should make the Zulu good melee fighters, but without any protection they are easy to kill by bullits and bajonets. Brits should avoid going in rambo style. Fight from behind the grain bags they should be able to repel the attacks as long as their line is not broken. That is the challenge.
On the Zulu weapons.
There were quite a few different spears, but after the Shaka reforms they pretty much standardized the short spear and cow skin shield. They also kept the throwing spear (though they were not used that often, Zulu doctrine aimed at melee and close combat). They also had clubs or maces. (If you equip all Zulu's with throwing spears, the Warband game and th FI mod gives the AI so much accuracy it would be hard to dodge the spears and survive. So you can not follow historical accuracy here)
On the lethality of Zulu weapons:
I believe only 17 Brits got killed at Rorke's Drift, but most of the 140 men defending it were wounded in some way. It shows that it was very likely to survive the Zulu weapons (as long as it did not hit you deep enough to damage vital organs). The bajonet was in that way much more effective. It had a longer reach and could easily make the kill.
Phalanx300
Banned
LtSpearing said:
Its almost impossible to understand a tone someone typed something out in, but I have a suspicious feeling you typed that with a very skeptical, if not sarcastic tone. Somehow, this is getting me a tad annoyed. To avoid any harsh words being said in the future lets make it so you really do understand the mod your looking at....
I can believe we said that. I dont feel like digging through pages of posts to find it, but your taking it to the extreme. THIS HAS TO BE THIS AND SUCH AND IF NOT YOUR MOD IS HORRIBLE. Once more: Gameplay > Accuracy.
Let me ask you: If your playing this mod, do you want to be killed by a random zulu spear on the 2nd to last boss and not have a chance to respawn
OR:
get hit once with it and have half health left, get scared sh-tless and go heal like a maniac.
Gameplay > Accuracy. This mod will be accurate to a point. And to tell the truth, I dont think much of the small bumps in it will be looked at once your actually PLAYING the game. When fighting off 20 bots with no help, i dont think you'll care too much if they have a slightly different club or something silly. All you'll care about is "RELOAD FASTER ZOMFGGGG"
.... I dont think this needs any comment other than:
Most guns are 1 HIT KILLS. Go to full invasion vanilla. Arquebuse: 1 SHOT KILL. RIFLE: 1 SHOT KILL.
And if I can forget, then you can to. Your also forgetting that THERE ARE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENEMIES RUNNING TOWARDS YOU GETTING CLOSER ANY SECOND. You think they will stand still saying "Hey, mates, listen up. That guy over there has a gun. Lets stand still, hold our shields up, and pray he misses us or hits the shield. MAYBE the shield will deflect it a little. Right, Zooboo, Shaka, you go test it out. on your way now!"
Yes they have shields. No they do not stand still and take it. Yes, those shields do block in melee. Yes, most rounds you WILL get into a melee. Thats why you have a bayonet. Yes, you will be able to kill the zulus. If you havent noticed, almost ALL enemies in the full invasion mod are killable with anywhere from 1-2 to 2-3 hits from most, if not all weapons.
And if you wanted this to be historically accurate too: A bayonet can also do 1 hit kill damage. Getting stabbed with that English Steel is going to hurt. A lot.
Have you ever played a full invasion game?
Even the flippin archers in that game are super humans in melee. The zulus are too. infact, MOST things in the game are epic at melee, it just comes down to one factor in most Full Invasion matches:
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING ALONG SIDE YOU/AGAINST YOU??
You already can... Have you played full invasion
Wait a minute....
I.... Ahm.... Alright then. Contradictory statement. Fair enough.
If I were to add a poll with the choices being A: Do you want to die in one hit like real life or B: Take a couple hits, because dying sucks and waiting for 5 minutes while you watch all of your friends and teammates laughing while playing and joking around sucks too, I think the majority would say I WANT TO LIVE!!!!
Gameplay > Realism.
Then this is clearly not my mod, good luck with the fantasy mod.
zobo said:
What did you smoke today to think that? I'll take 10 whatever it is...
Phalanx300 said:LtSpearing said:
Its almost impossible to understand a tone someone typed something out in, but I have a suspicious feeling you typed that with a very skeptical, if not sarcastic tone. Somehow, this is getting me a tad annoyed. To avoid any harsh words being said in the future lets make it so you really do understand the mod your looking at....
I can believe we said that. I dont feel like digging through pages of posts to find it, but your taking it to the extreme. THIS HAS TO BE THIS AND SUCH AND IF NOT YOUR MOD IS HORRIBLE. Once more: Gameplay > Accuracy.
Let me ask you: If your playing this mod, do you want to be killed by a random zulu spear on the 2nd to last boss and not have a chance to respawn
OR:
get hit once with it and have half health left, get scared sh-tless and go heal like a maniac.
Gameplay > Accuracy. This mod will be accurate to a point. And to tell the truth, I dont think much of the small bumps in it will be looked at once your actually PLAYING the game. When fighting off 20 bots with no help, i dont think you'll care too much if they have a slightly different club or something silly. All you'll care about is "RELOAD FASTER ZOMFGGGG"
.... I dont think this needs any comment other than:
Most guns are 1 HIT KILLS. Go to full invasion vanilla. Arquebuse: 1 SHOT KILL. RIFLE: 1 SHOT KILL.
And if I can forget, then you can to. Your also forgetting that THERE ARE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENEMIES RUNNING TOWARDS YOU GETTING CLOSER ANY SECOND. You think they will stand still saying "Hey, mates, listen up. That guy over there has a gun. Lets stand still, hold our shields up, and pray he misses us or hits the shield. MAYBE the shield will deflect it a little. Right, Zooboo, Shaka, you go test it out. on your way now!"
Yes they have shields. No they do not stand still and take it. Yes, those shields do block in melee. Yes, most rounds you WILL get into a melee. Thats why you have a bayonet. Yes, you will be able to kill the zulus. If you havent noticed, almost ALL enemies in the full invasion mod are killable with anywhere from 1-2 to 2-3 hits from most, if not all weapons.
And if you wanted this to be historically accurate too: A bayonet can also do 1 hit kill damage. Getting stabbed with that English Steel is going to hurt. A lot.
Have you ever played a full invasion game?
Even the flippin archers in that game are super humans in melee. The zulus are too. infact, MOST things in the game are epic at melee, it just comes down to one factor in most Full Invasion matches:
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING ALONG SIDE YOU/AGAINST YOU??
You already can... Have you played full invasion
Wait a minute....
I.... Ahm.... Alright then. Contradictory statement. Fair enough.
If I were to add a poll with the choices being A: Do you want to die in one hit like real life or B: Take a couple hits, because dying sucks and waiting for 5 minutes while you watch all of your friends and teammates laughing while playing and joking around sucks too, I think the majority would say I WANT TO LIVE!!!!
Gameplay > Realism.
Then this is clearly not my mod, good luck with the fantasy mod.
Well, I would love to see a historical Zulu mod.
To get that historical feel it is the overwhelming numbers you are faced with as a Brit. In multiplay without AI this simply can not be done. Simply because there is never enough people to get the overwhelming mass. If it is a 10 vs 10. The Zulus would never ever stand a chance. Adding some bots would make it less realistic in any case.
The Invasion Mod offers the feeling of wave after wave, hence overwheming numbers attacking you. This comes with some sacrifices to reality. As the waves are AI the bots tend to use laser guided long distance weapons. It is in the Warband programming.
By the way. The Invasion Mod is not all pure fantasy. The barbarians and farmers have actually very good pretty realistic models.
Anyway. I would love to see historical accuracy but I understand you can not go all the way to become a historical simulator. The game simply does not allow it.
LtSpearing
Sergeant Knight
IndiaQuinn said:Phalanx300 said:LtSpearing said:
Its almost impossible to understand a tone someone typed something out in, but I have a suspicious feeling you typed that with a very skeptical, if not sarcastic tone. Somehow, this is getting me a tad annoyed. To avoid any harsh words being said in the future lets make it so you really do understand the mod your looking at....
I can believe we said that. I dont feel like digging through pages of posts to find it, but your taking it to the extreme. THIS HAS TO BE THIS AND SUCH AND IF NOT YOUR MOD IS HORRIBLE. Once more: Gameplay > Accuracy.
Let me ask you: If your playing this mod, do you want to be killed by a random zulu spear on the 2nd to last boss and not have a chance to respawn
OR:
get hit once with it and have half health left, get scared sh-tless and go heal like a maniac.
Gameplay > Accuracy. This mod will be accurate to a point. And to tell the truth, I dont think much of the small bumps in it will be looked at once your actually PLAYING the game. When fighting off 20 bots with no help, i dont think you'll care too much if they have a slightly different club or something silly. All you'll care about is "RELOAD FASTER ZOMFGGGG"
.... I dont think this needs any comment other than:
Most guns are 1 HIT KILLS. Go to full invasion vanilla. Arquebuse: 1 SHOT KILL. RIFLE: 1 SHOT KILL.
And if I can forget, then you can to. Your also forgetting that THERE ARE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENEMIES RUNNING TOWARDS YOU GETTING CLOSER ANY SECOND. You think they will stand still saying "Hey, mates, listen up. That guy over there has a gun. Lets stand still, hold our shields up, and pray he misses us or hits the shield. MAYBE the shield will deflect it a little. Right, Zooboo, Shaka, you go test it out. on your way now!"
Yes they have shields. No they do not stand still and take it. Yes, those shields do block in melee. Yes, most rounds you WILL get into a melee. Thats why you have a bayonet. Yes, you will be able to kill the zulus. If you havent noticed, almost ALL enemies in the full invasion mod are killable with anywhere from 1-2 to 2-3 hits from most, if not all weapons.
And if you wanted this to be historically accurate too: A bayonet can also do 1 hit kill damage. Getting stabbed with that English Steel is going to hurt. A lot.
Have you ever played a full invasion game?
Even the flippin archers in that game are super humans in melee. The zulus are too. infact, MOST things in the game are epic at melee, it just comes down to one factor in most Full Invasion matches:
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING ALONG SIDE YOU/AGAINST YOU??
You already can... Have you played full invasion
Wait a minute....
I.... Ahm.... Alright then. Contradictory statement. Fair enough.
If I were to add a poll with the choices being A: Do you want to die in one hit like real life or B: Take a couple hits, because dying sucks and waiting for 5 minutes while you watch all of your friends and teammates laughing while playing and joking around sucks too, I think the majority would say I WANT TO LIVE!!!!
Gameplay > Realism.
Then this is clearly not my mod, good luck with the fantasy mod.
Well, I would love to see a historical Zulu mod.
To get that historical feel it is the overwhelming numbers you are faced with as a Brit. In multiplay without AI this simply can not be done. Simply because there is never enough people to get the overwhelming mass. If it is a 10 vs 10. The Zulus would never ever stand a chance. Adding some bots would make it less realistic in any case.
The Invasion Mod offers the feeling of wave after wave, hence overwheming numbers attacking you. This comes with some sacrifices to reality. As the waves are AI the bots tend to use laser guided long distance weapons. It is in the Warband programming.
By the way. The Invasion Mod is not all pure fantasy. The barbarians and farmers have actually very good pretty realistic models.
Anyway. I would love to see historical accuracy but I understand you can not go all the way to become a historical simulator. The game simply does not allow it.
THANK. YOU. You have some sense to realize that if it was fully realistic, then NO ONE would play it. everyone would die within the first or 2 round.
You sir, deserve a cookie.
orangeknite1
Sergeant Knight at Arms
I dont deserve a cookie thats not very nice
LtSpearing
Sergeant Knight
orangeknite1 said:
You get a hug :3 (Hug)
orangeknite1
Sergeant Knight at Arms
No but im not gay thats the problem
LtSpearing
Sergeant Knight
orangeknite1 said:
Or is it?
orangeknite1
Sergeant Knight at Arms
No the problem is im scared of people
Phalanx300
Banned
LtSpearing said:IndiaQuinn said:Phalanx300 said:LtSpearing said:
Its almost impossible to understand a tone someone typed something out in, but I have a suspicious feeling you typed that with a very skeptical, if not sarcastic tone. Somehow, this is getting me a tad annoyed. To avoid any harsh words being said in the future lets make it so you really do understand the mod your looking at....
I can believe we said that. I dont feel like digging through pages of posts to find it, but your taking it to the extreme. THIS HAS TO BE THIS AND SUCH AND IF NOT YOUR MOD IS HORRIBLE. Once more: Gameplay > Accuracy.
Let me ask you: If your playing this mod, do you want to be killed by a random zulu spear on the 2nd to last boss and not have a chance to respawn
OR:
get hit once with it and have half health left, get scared sh-tless and go heal like a maniac.
Gameplay > Accuracy. This mod will be accurate to a point. And to tell the truth, I dont think much of the small bumps in it will be looked at once your actually PLAYING the game. When fighting off 20 bots with no help, i dont think you'll care too much if they have a slightly different club or something silly. All you'll care about is "RELOAD FASTER ZOMFGGGG"
.... I dont think this needs any comment other than:
Most guns are 1 HIT KILLS. Go to full invasion vanilla. Arquebuse: 1 SHOT KILL. RIFLE: 1 SHOT KILL.
And if I can forget, then you can to. Your also forgetting that THERE ARE MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF ENEMIES RUNNING TOWARDS YOU GETTING CLOSER ANY SECOND. You think they will stand still saying "Hey, mates, listen up. That guy over there has a gun. Lets stand still, hold our shields up, and pray he misses us or hits the shield. MAYBE the shield will deflect it a little. Right, Zooboo, Shaka, you go test it out. on your way now!"
Yes they have shields. No they do not stand still and take it. Yes, those shields do block in melee. Yes, most rounds you WILL get into a melee. Thats why you have a bayonet. Yes, you will be able to kill the zulus. If you havent noticed, almost ALL enemies in the full invasion mod are killable with anywhere from 1-2 to 2-3 hits from most, if not all weapons.
And if you wanted this to be historically accurate too: A bayonet can also do 1 hit kill damage. Getting stabbed with that English Steel is going to hurt. A lot.
Have you ever played a full invasion game?
Even the flippin archers in that game are super humans in melee. The zulus are too. infact, MOST things in the game are epic at melee, it just comes down to one factor in most Full Invasion matches:
HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING ALONG SIDE YOU/AGAINST YOU??
You already can... Have you played full invasion
Wait a minute....
I.... Ahm.... Alright then. Contradictory statement. Fair enough.
If I were to add a poll with the choices being A: Do you want to die in one hit like real life or B: Take a couple hits, because dying sucks and waiting for 5 minutes while you watch all of your friends and teammates laughing while playing and joking around sucks too, I think the majority would say I WANT TO LIVE!!!!
Gameplay > Realism.
Then this is clearly not my mod, good luck with the fantasy mod.
Well, I would love to see a historical Zulu mod.
To get that historical feel it is the overwhelming numbers you are faced with as a Brit. In multiplay without AI this simply can not be done. Simply because there is never enough people to get the overwhelming mass. If it is a 10 vs 10. The Zulus would never ever stand a chance. Adding some bots would make it less realistic in any case.
The Invasion Mod offers the feeling of wave after wave, hence overwheming numbers attacking you. This comes with some sacrifices to reality. As the waves are AI the bots tend to use laser guided long distance weapons. It is in the Warband programming.
By the way. The Invasion Mod is not all pure fantasy. The barbarians and farmers have actually very good pretty realistic models.
Anyway. I would love to see historical accuracy but I understand you can not go all the way to become a historical simulator. The game simply does not allow it.
THANK. YOU. You have some sense to realize that if it was fully realistic, then NO ONE would play it. everyone would die within the first or 2 round.
You sir, deserve a cookie.
I gues you never played Vikingr?
And I notice your sense of vision. But yeah good luck with it. 
I played Vikingr. The 1stEPI hosted some great shield wall battles.
Pretty realistic indeed and awesome. It also is playable cause the factions are somewhat balanced.
But it can not be compared with hordes of Zulus that come in wave after wave. Having Zulu´s as a playable faction would only be fun fighting other African tribes or other Zulus. My 2 cents.
Pretty realistic indeed and awesome. It also is playable cause the factions are somewhat balanced.
But it can not be compared with hordes of Zulus that come in wave after wave. Having Zulu´s as a playable faction would only be fun fighting other African tribes or other Zulus. My 2 cents.
LtSpearing
Sergeant Knight
Phalanx you seriously dont understand the mod me and my team members are trying to develope and every time you post I have a sharp spike in blood pressure. Stop posting lulz.
LOL maybe..... Hmmm....
That would be a seperate mod :/ maybe in the future. Lets get this done first though
Roveno said:Please give us between items a pack of rocks with 40 rocks, is the only thing i ask you!!!!
LOL maybe..... Hmmm....
IndiaQuinn said:
That would be a seperate mod :/ maybe in the future. Lets get this done first though
Phalanx300
Banned
LoL very well. Btw remember now it was that coder(?) who said it would be completely accurate.
Ment Vikingr as a mod which is succesfull, even though it has a realistic damage system.
Ment Vikingr as a mod which is succesfull, even though it has a realistic damage system.
orangeknite1
Sergeant Knight at Arms
i would suggest getting rid of barricades in the mod though because if you watch the movie they never really changes the fortifications execpt pushing over some wagons and adding sandbags but that was before the fight not after. Also one thing is after the boss wave you should give people 30 seconds to kinda recoparate and refill ammo. But that my suggestion just remove barricades
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