Friendly reminder to people complaining about BL

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What were the percentages say 2 years ago though? For the last 3-4 years Warband has averaged around 10k players a day; you can't tell me there was over 1k players on multiplayer... I watched those servers a lot... you would have maybe 1-2 servers at 60+. More during events maybe... Persistent world & cRPG helped bump the numbers but I can't think of a single day ever I saw THAT many people on MP across all modules.
If you take EU, SA, NA, CN, and OCE you had clearly more than 1k on MP.
NW, mercenaries, crpg, native, full invasion, nord invasion, and PK combined together make a lot of players.

Check this if you want to see how many players are in MP currently: mnbcentral

RN it is at 712, and not all the servers are here and SA + NA are not playing atm
 
What were the percentages say 2 years ago though? For the last 3-4 years Warband has averaged around 10k players a day; you can't tell me there was over 1k players on multiplayer... I watched those servers a lot... you would have maybe 1-2 servers at 60+. More during events maybe... Persistent world & cRPG helped bump the numbers but I can't think of a single day ever I saw THAT many people on MP across all modules.

yes, it is always over 1k concurrent once you get to the evening EU time.
 
yes, it is always over 1k concurrent once you get to the evening EU time.
So at peak times - maybe 8-9%? Maybe....?

That's not 10-15%...

I mean it's not really worth arguing about - it's all semantics. But this is still a shockingly low number. And that's not counting people who play with steam offline; which was likely much higher 5 years ago then it is now...

I'm not saying Bannerlords MP percentages are good; no far from it. But considering how little there is in MP so far (no mods, limited servers, 4 game modes etc etc) it's not unexpected. I mean compare this to the amount of people playing Warband native MP...
 
So at peak times - maybe 8-9%? Maybe....?

That's not 10-15%...

At this very moment (16:30 BST) the MP population is at 10% of the total. The number is very rarely below 10%, and if it is then yea it'll be 8 or 9%. I only see it go below 10% when it's early in the day or very late. It is not yet the evening in EU when most people come on for MP, or event time when the population massively increases. When we do get to peak times, it'll be ~15%.

So yes, 10-15% is accurate and has been for years. What do you think the total Warband population is? Right now there are 600 in MP and 6k total players. At prime time there's 7-10k total (though this number has been lower recently, but that was the average for a longer time period) and 1-1.5k in MP (despite the lower total, which these days can sit at 6k prime time, the MP numbers remain at 1k+ in the evenings). I don't understand why you are arguing against those facts. I understand it doesn't fit with your narrative that Bannerlord MP is performing similarly to Warband's, but the fact is that Bannerlord is peaking at 3% in MP while Warband manages peaks of 20% in MP. In terms of averages and norms Warband sits at 10-15% and Bannerlord sits under 3%.
 
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At this very moment (16:30 BST) the MP population is at 10% of the total. The number is very rarely below 10%, and if it is then yea it'll be 8 or 9%. I only see it go below 10% when it's early in the day or very late. It is not yet the evening in EU when most people come on for MP, or event time when the population massively increases. When we do get to peak times, it'll be ~15%.

So yes, 10-15% is accurate and has been for years. What do you think the total Warband population is? Right now there are 600 in MP and 6k total players. At prime time there's 7-10k total and 1-1.5k in MP. I don't understand why you are arguing against those facts. I understand it doesn't fit with your narrative that Bannerlord MP is performing similarly to Warband's, but the fact is that Bannerlord is peaking at 3% in MP while Warband manages peaks of 20% in MP. In terms of averages and norms Warband sits at 10-15% and Bannerlord sits under 3%.
As I asked previously though - this should be based on Warband prior to bannerlord; indeed 3-4 years ago would be best because with both games being up right now it's not a fair comparison. Bannerlords SP is much more developed then it's MP; as such the SP crowd from Warband have probably migrated much sooner then the MP; especially if clans and events keep the community of MP running.

Average player count from steam for the last 3-4 years was about 12-13k; during this time I can't remember ever seeing 1k in M&B MP; but assuming there was that is still not as much as you are saying.

My narrative is only that these stats are largely meaningless while warband MP remains and before bannerlord MP gets a proper showing/update. Bannerlord MP needs a big kick, but these types of discussion add or prove very little.

Again though - these are semantics and not worth arguing about anyway.
 
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As I asked previously though - this should be based on Warband prior to bannerlord; indeed 3-4 years ago would be best because with both games being up right now it's not a fair comparison. Bannerlords SP is much more developed then it's MP; as such the SP crowd from Warband have probably migrated much sooner then the MP; especially if clans and events keep the community of MP running.

Average player count from steam for the last 3-4 years was about 12-13k; during this time I can't remember ever seeing 1k in M&B MP; but assuming there was that is still not as much as you are saying.

My narrative is only that these stats are largely meaningless while warband MP remains and before bannerlord MP gets a proper showing/update. Bannerlord MP needs a big kick, but these types of discussion add or prove very little.

MP definitely had over 1k in it 3-4 years ago, but that's entirely anecdotal because there is no way for me to provide data on that. Current numbers are easiest to discuss because it's a simple matter to get accurate information. I am certain that it was over 1k at that time based on my experience playing at that time but that's all I can give on that.

It is also difficult to use numbers from longer ago because more people played non-steam back then, while as time has gone on a greater percentage of players started using the Steam version. I know that a huge number of MP players were non-steam in 2014/2015/2016, and I can presume that number was even greater before that in 2010-2014, but it's just as likely that a large number of people playing SP were using non-steam. That's why it's totally useless to speculate on numbers from that time period because we will never be able to accurately say anything about it.

I did not make any conclusions about Bannerlord in the posts I've made replying to you. All I did was point out that your claim that Bannerlord's MP is performing similarly to Warband's is completely inaccurate. You are right that there are many reasons why that is the case, but the end result of all of those causes is a terrible MP experience which the overwhelming majority of the Warband MP community, the Warband SP community, the Bannerlord SP community and many of the new players which tried it have totally rejected.

I will reiterate: Warband sits at 10-15% in MP, and these days gets closer to 20% at event time, while Bannerlord manages under 3%.
 
MP definitely had over 1k in it 3-4 years ago, but that's entirely anecdotal because there is no way for me to provide data on that. Current numbers are easiest to discuss because it's a simple matter to get accurate information. I am certain that it was over 1k at that time based on my experience playing at that time but that's all I can give on that.

It is also difficult to use numbers from longer ago because more people played non-steam back then, while as time has gone on a greater percentage of players started using the Steam version. I know that a huge number of MP players were non-steam in 2014/2015/2016, and I can presume that number was even greater before that in 2010-2014, but it's just as likely that a large number of people playing SP were using non-steam. That's why it's totally useless to speculate on numbers from that time period because we will never be able to accurately say anything about it.

I did not make any conclusions about Bannerlord in the posts I've made replying to you. All I did was point out that your claim that Bannerlord's MP is performing similarly to Warband's is completely inaccurate. You are right that there are many reasons why that is the case, but the end result of all of those causes is a terrible MP experience which the overwhelming majority of the Warband MP community, the Warband SP community, the Bannerlord SP community and many of the new players which tried it have totally rejected.

I will reiterate: Warband sits at 10-15% in MP, and these days gets closer to 20% at event time, while Bannerlord manages under 3%.

Okay well I'm not gonna fight anymore over this. In the longrun though MP will recover one way or another. TW are making changes and once MODS come around everything will be thrown out the collective window anyway.
 
I don't think any numbers will convince TW because they view BL MP as unfinished, which means that any numbers coming from it are irrelevant.
 
bannerlord is a crap game in its current state even if it is new and shiny... it having such a small multiplayer base after 6 months and all the hype is incredible
 
bannerlord is a crap game in its current state even if it is new and shiny... it having such a small multiplayer base after 6 months and all the hype is incredible

As they've stated in countless places, if you want a finished game you should wait for EA to end. MP has basically no features and the core aspects of combat are getting adjusted.

I see zero reason to play Skirmish/Tdm/Siege until the next patch. Captain is fine because it doesn't rely on the combat system.
 
You're not allowed to like a game but think it has flaws? Dangit.

I enjoy the base of SP and Captain. I think both of those are enjoyable with heavy flaws.

I don't enjoy Skirmish, Tdm, or Siege because their base (combat) isn't very good.
 
I don't think any numbers will convince TW because they view BL MP as unfinished, which means that any numbers coming from it are irrelevant.
I'm inclined to agree with this outlook though. TW make games to last a decade; even if players numbers are low this year they might well be better the next year and so forth...

Make of that what you will but the MP could be **** all the way to release; if it is golden on that day 1 patch. It will be fine.
 
I enjoy the base of SP and Captain. I think both of those are enjoyable with heavy flaws.

I don't enjoy Skirmish, Tdm, or Siege because their base (combat) isn't very good.

I really enjoy Skirmish, but i always feel Captain is unbalanced, i like siege but servers always crash xD

I think it's a great game, but ofc yeah needs more ^^ Love SP the most.
 
I really enjoy Skirmish, but i always feel Captain is unbalanced, i like siege but servers always crash xD

I think it's a great game, but ofc yeah needs more ^^ Love SP the most.

Balance is one of captains flaws haha. Mostly it's just battania and the streets map (syllianon). The other imbalances are within reason.
 
Back to the numbers argument, in 2016 let's say October, I remember NW having 200ish on NRP, 120ish on minisiege, 40-60 on TP and usally like 30 on Jailbreak and there was a Roleplay server, plus 500-1000 on events plus other mods and native
 
I wouldn't call it "successful" if it's hitting 500-1000 concurrent players at it's peak. That's enough to have a stable community, but with respect to other games, that's a very small scene. You can call Warband mechanically brilliant (as an accident lol) and extremely fun, but player count is not its strength.
 
I wouldn't call it "successful" if it's hitting 500-1000 concurrent players at it's peak. That's enough to have a stable community, but with respect to other games, that's a very small scene. You can call Warband mechanically brilliant (as an accident lol) and extremely fun, but player count is not its strength.

Warband mechanically brilliant was not an accident. It was by design. Give rome what rome is due.
 
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