French are pissed off at... Higher retirement age?!?

[Lord Burgess1]

They also like to scrape up your new cars bumper when it's parked on a Paris side street!!!!

 

[Wolfang]

Also, the burn cars when they angreh in Paris!
FIGHT DA POWAH!

 

[Deloused]

French...? Strikes!!!?!

 

[Lord Burgess1]

Then at around 2 O'clock they go and have a siesta

Or is that the Iberians

Same thing.

 

[Adorno]

Also, the burn cars when they angreh in Paris!
FIGHT DA POWAH!

That's not strikes, but violant riots. Two very difference things.

 

[Deloused]

whoever resists the system for whateaver reason has the support of the international workers movement. You can never know how is is to take the streets for your rights... and win!

 

[WuTaNiSt]

You can never know how is is to take the streets for your rights... and win!

This is because they're French. They never win

 

[Deloused]

This is because they're French. They never win

so you say...

 

[Almalexia]

stuff

My god, the hoody infestation has grown to uncountable numbers.

 

[Deloused]

stuff

My god, the hoody infestation has grown to uncountable numbers.

YAr!

 

[Flanged]

I support the French, for once.  Sarkozy deserves everything he gets at this point - he asked for it, a long time ago.  This is from back when he was "only" Minister for the Interior:

"Sarko" made headlines with his declarations that he would "karcherise" the ghettos of "la racaille" - words the U.S. press, with glaring inadequacy, has translated to mean "clean" the ghettos of "scum." But these two words have an infinitely harsher and more insulting flavor in French.

"Karcher" is the well-known brand name of a system of cleaning surfaces by super-high-pressure sand-blasting or water-blasting that very violently peels away the outer skin of encrusted dirt - like pigeon-**** - even at the risk of damaging what's underneath.  The translation of "karcherise" to "clean" misses completely the provocative, incendiary violence of what Sarko was really saying.

To apply this term to young human beings and proffer it as a strategy is a verbally fascist insult and, as a policy proposed by an Interior Minister, is about as close as one can get to hollering "ethnic cleansing" without actually saying so.

And "Racaille" is infinitely more pejorative than "scum" to French-speakers - it has the flavor of characterizing an entire group of people as subhuman, inherently evil and criminal, worthless, and is, in other words, one of the most serious insults one could launch at the rebellious ghetto youth."

That's the opinion of Doug Ireland, presumably a leftist, but I agree with him wholeheartedly.  In short, Sarkozy called for a strike against the people.  He can't complain if the people strike back.

The wholesale deportation of the Romany, not on a case-by-case basis but as an ethnic group, was the last straw.  I don't care anymore that his wife is hot and he looks really funny after Putin's got him drunk - Sarko is a total ****wit, nearly on a par with Berlusconi (well, no, not quite that bad).

Now he wants people who were getting close to reclaiming some of the money they'd put into the system over a lifetime of hard work to work a few years longer - because the money they paid into the system has been stolen.  The national pension funds that everyone paid into their whole lives, not just in France but globally, are empty, as if by magic. 

And the victims of the theft are now supposed to work to pay the fine. 

Nah.  It's not on.

Personally, I'd prefer to be able to retire on a pension sooner rather than later ...

So would I.  But the way things are going, I'm not sure our generation ever will be able to ... unless we all get a bit more French and Greek and Icelandic in the near future.  Look yonder!  The looters are getting away!

 

[Adorno]

Hear ye! Hear ye! Flanged has spoken.

 

[Darwin]

Germans have a retirement age of 67 and work 40 (or 42...?) hours a week. Now stop complaining. And we have a gay vice chancellor.

 

[Wolfang]

How did u get Merkel out of the kitcheh?

 

[Taimat396]

whoever resists the system for whateaver reason has the support of the international workers movement. You can never know how is is to take the streets for your rights... and win!

It has **** all to do witth their rights. They start work at about 30 and are complaining that they have to retire at 62 instead of 60.

Most people here  get a job at 16 and retire at 65. Oh, and thhey get way less hours and better pensions.

 

[Adorno]

Most people here  get a job at 16 and retire at 65. Oh, and they get way less hours and better pensions.

And you think all that came by itself? The reason we have such things as proper working conditions,
maximum working hours per week, minimum wages, pensions etc. is because of negotiations and struggles on the labour market.

Sure you can highten the retirement age and lower pensions, and next year you can do the same, and the next, and the next...

 

[rejenorst]

Meh, it's the French.

They go out to protest when their bread doesn't crunch at the right number of decibels.

Damn straight!!!

If it doesn't crunch just right it means we are loosing the culture war!!

 

[Taimat396]

Most people here  get a job at 16 and retire at 65. Oh, and they get way less hours and better pensions.

And you think all that came by itself? The reason we have such things as proper working conditions,
maximum working hours per week, minimum wages, pensions etc. is because of negotiations and struggles on the labour market.

Sure you can highten the retirement age and lower pensions, and next year you can do the same, and the next, and the next...

My point was that the french are just being lazy ****s. I'm not entirely sure what point you're trying to make.

 

[Flanged]

They start work at about 30 and are complaining that they have to retire at 62 instead of 60.

Most people here  get a job at 16 and retire at 65. Oh, and thhey get way less hours and better pensions.

That's because they fought for it to be that way.  Unlike us, they believe it is their right not to have to work all the hours god sends for a miserable pittance from an employer that couldn't give two ****s about them only to be thrown onto the scrapheap without enough money to pay their heating bills at the end of their lives.  I agree with them.  It is their right.

Maybe we should fight a bit harder for our rights. 

Then, instead of being jealous of the lazy French workers (who lazily organised multiple strikes over decades, and lazily stood on picket lines for weeks at a time, and lazily marched in the streets, and lazily faced down their armed police, and lazily embarassed and beat their long procession of sh1tty governments) we'd have the same rights as them.

Start work at thirty, retire at sixty, with shorter hours and a better pension.  I'd have no objections to that.

EDIT:  I'm serious with that argument, but not trying to be a cnut or anything.  Sorry if that post comes off as an angry rant.  It is, but not at you.

 

[Wheem]

Start work at thirty, retire at sixty, with shorter hours and a better pension.  I'd have no objections to that.

With current levels of productivity I think you would indeed have some objections to such a system, once it happened. Economic output - and therefore standard of living - would pretty much go down the crapper.