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HugoTheFrenchMan

Master Knight
Yes. The option to change your own username occasionally was previously handled through an addon, but now is a feature built into XenForo itself. So, while it works almost exactly the same, a few things are different. The cooldown is actually the same length of time, though it is reset for all users due to the switch.
Thanks for the answer!
 
It would be nice if your faction selection appears under avatar as before. I miss "Faction: Nord"
I don't. Sorry, but that always seemed like a pretty useless aspect of my profile, at least to me. And, you could never choose to not have it shown. If it was optional, though, that would be fine.
 

Ambarad

Sergeant at Arms
WBVC
I don't. Sorry, but that always seemed like a pretty useless aspect of my profile, at least to me. And, you could never choose to not have it shown. If it was optional, though, that would be fine.
As you say; this can be left to one's own choice. Those who want to put it, who want to not.
 
Numerous icons are missing from the Private message section, especially the emojis.

I could use an ad blocker on the games at the top of the forum page but the Bannerlord banner would look better.
 
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Lusitani 5th Empire

Sergeant at Arms
4) Please remove the 'similar threads' at the bottom, it's just filling up space and doesn't seem to show useful threads for me​
Wait a sec, they just added this, lets give it a chance and make suggestions to improve it before removing anything.

Sometimes it shows similar threads and other times it struggles to provide useful threads.
This probably because it's all automatic, I'm sure it can be improved.

As for the automatic process, there should be a formula or algorithm to calculate the probability of the threads appearing in the suggestion, as well as their position (higher probability = higher similarity 👉 leads to first position in the suggestions)
The algorithm shouldn't be too hard to create and improve, it's not like YouTube or ads where it's personalized suggestions, here the main focus is to be objective, it's all the same for everyone. I will give some ideas and feedback on how to improve it:​
  • The formula to calculate the probability should have multiple variables to improve robustness and accuracy.​
  • AI and deep learning algorithms could be an option.​
  • Looking for the same or synonym words, expressions in the title, post and comments (but in different variables, so that similar words in the title confer a higher portability than similar words in the comments, for example). Also watch out for spelling errors, plural/singular and abbreviations (e.g: devs and developers).​
  • Fix the errors in tags (misspelled, singular/plural, misused, add new ones) and use them as part of the algorithm, this "key words" should be a good indicator of the content.​
  • Number of times relevant words or "key words" appear in the text (again prioritize title and op post over comments - some titles and posts are not that indicative of the intent or content, not sure if it's a problem)​
  • Consider the punctuation in phrases (titles, op post, comments). A thread with a "question" title might be similar to other question titles of other threads.​
  • Threads posted under the same or similar category should compute higher probability. E.g.: In a suggestion thread, "similar threads" would favor threads in the suggestion category...​
  • A variable that considers the quoting from other threads, op post and comments.​
  • Consider op post length, text format, check if the thread has the same media, images, links...​
  • Prioritize suggested posts by date, number of views, number of comments... could be a possibility by default but also in filters.​
  • Curated threads, pinned, dev posts/replies and other important ones should be prioritized and moderated in the most "popular" threads (see if it's relevant, add relevant ones to the suggestions)​
  • Add the option to minimize the suggestions as default and a button (I think for now it should appear for everyone, so that we can provide feedback, I'm not against it showing by default but it's a thing to consider).​
  • Instead of putting this at the bottom you could consider putting this minimized at the top, somewhere between the title and the comment section.​
  • Moderate the "similar threads" in the most frequent and popular posts/threads.​
  • Allow members to add new threads to the suggestions threads (possibly, after it gets approved by a community moderator).​
  • Allow members to change the position and effectively the probability of the suggested threads by giving us the option to move up or down threads (ranking), then based on the overall and average position change made by members, compute new probabilities, the changes appear to everyone. (a save button would be added to send the info of the position change to the database). A problem with this is that people will likely be biased towards their threads, but with the "average" of probabilities this is not significant. Automatic and manual (community moderators) mechanisms could also exist to recognize abuse, looking for biased patterns (prioritizing your own posts). User and members could also edit the positions and send for moderation approval. If for members this is not possible, then assign this option (changing positions and priority/probability of suggested threads) only to community moderators and such, so they can passively improve the system.​
  • Add a "dismiss/delete/not related this thread suggestion" option (the intent is to compute a lower a probability or dropping in position after the next database update). Also susceptible to moderation verification.​
  • When sending for moderation add the option or require to add text explaining the change.​
  • Add the option of "show more" (continue pumping threads out based on probability, this goes in line with the previous points - people can select threads)​
  • Gather data on clicks of the suggested threads and alter the probability based on clicks. (this could be another metric or an alternative to the manual selection - again, I think the individual subjectivity does not affect the integrity of the results because, in the end, the sum of the subjective choices tend to an objective result; and this is only one variable, other variables give robustness)​
  • Consider the "time viewing the suggested thread". Higher viewing time higher chance of relevance and similarity.​
  • Add the option "is this a similar thread?" or "is this related", in the front of the suggested thread and/or in the new opened page you just clicked on.​
  • When you click in one of the "similar threads" open a new tab instead of loading the new page in the same tab. (it's only my personal preference it might not be better this way for some reason)​
  • Add the option "search for similar threads". This would open up an extended version, more of the suggested threads, the user could even alter certain search parameters like key words to "refine" the search. A pop up window saying "is this similar?" could then appear when you click a thread (that opens in a new tab, like a mentioned previously). Gather the data of the clicked threads, time of viewing, feedback from the pop-up... and then improve the algorithm.​
  • Have an option to show random pop up windows that appear always, often, rarely or never (depending on the configurable choice of the user) when you click thread. The pop-up would ask if the thread you clicked is related or is similar to the automatic suggested "similar thread(s)", then the user would select yes or no if multiple choices appear or in a scale of 0 to 5 if you are comparing only to one thread, for example. Once the user selects their yes/no or rating, then selects the option to "continue" which pops up another set of similar threads, and so on as long as you click continue, but a certain threshold should exist. We would always have the option to "close" the pop up at any time.​
    • Instead of a pop-up a permanent place in the page could exist at the bottom of the page, for example.​
  • If possible, a real time prediction/suggestion/completion when searching for something (like google) could be added.​
  • Add more search functionalities, something like this.
  • Afaik, the goal is to objectively suggest similar threads but who knows if this could evolve to a personalized experience. A simple way of personalization would be suggesting similar threads in other languages. Consider the language the forum is in, the country the user is from, check if he commented in other languages forums, look at groups he's in...​
  • An option to show similar threads in X language could be added.​
  • The gathered data could be used and applied to other things. Statistics to make forums and game decisions, see the content people actually want, faster and more informed decisions by devs, better inform forum users, better moderation...​
This would work in addition to the now implemented "similar threads":
  • Similarly to this "similar threads" concept, I think at least a compilation thread like this, where the information is all available in one place, should exist. Manually creating categories/labels and organizing threads would be necessary.​
  • Alternatively, adding something like a forum section with subsections where the objective and functionality is not post new things or comment, but members would put theirs or someones existing threads under the created sections, with the possibility of adding new sections/sub-sections after moderation approval.
    • Essentially this might work well because it's in the self interest of members to organize, publish and display their "work" that would be otherwise buried in the forums. To facilitate the members work you could provide us with the tools of the "similar threads" algorithm but applied only to our content or to a specific user content (of our choice, like the search option).​
    • This (the algorithm) could be implemented in the "your content" page so that we can more easily categorize and apply predefined labels (existing with the same name as the sections/sub-sections I mentioned earlier) to threads which then could moved to the bookmark page. From the bookmarks we could then "publish" the organized content after moderation approval (check if the labels are correctly applied, check if the content is relevant to the label, check if there is any label that doesn't exist in the forum section and see if it justifies adding one more section/sub-section).​
    • If this implemented it could then translate information to the "similar threads" suggestions.​
 
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Janus

*spicy* *camper*
Administrator
WBWF&SM&BVC
Numerous icons are missing from the Private message section, especially the emojis.
Everything is there, some is just moved into the 3-vertical-dot "More options..." sections since the posting box is less wide. You'd see the same thing with a narrower browser window.

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Though emojis are more useful than image insertion, I think, so I did swap that over into the active bar for that button bar width.
 
Everything is there, some is just moved into the 3-vertical-dot "More options..." sections since the posting box is less wide. You'd see the same thing with a narrower browser window.

EDIT:
Though emojis are more useful than image insertion, I think, so I did swap that over into the active bar for that button bar width.
Ah. Thanks for the explanation. Now get rid of the ads at the top of the Forum page and replace them with a banner and we'll be good.
 
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JabdiMelborn

ciauz^^
Section Moderator
M&BWBWF&SNWVC
...Can you please replace the new link color... ---> LINK

...with a lighter one, like the orange we had in the previous version... --->LINK

...my old eyes will thanks you...👓
 

Tryvenyal

Sergeant
I don't know if this is the right place for forum suggestions in general but I will give it a go :smile:

I would like a "upvote thread" feature, that can be done on others than your own threads to passively support the thread. All these useless "+1" posts irritates me. Who has upvoted should be visible and it should "bump" the thread. This would be very usefull, especially in the suggestion-area.

Transparent "Upvote" for others posts as well.
 

Callum

Community Manager
I don't know if this is the right place for forum suggestions in general but I will give it a go :smile:

I would like a "upvote thread" feature, that can be done on others than your own threads to passively support the thread. All these useless "+1" posts irritates me. Who has upvoted should be visible and it should "bump" the thread. This would be very usefull, especially in the suggestion-area.

Transparent "Upvote" for others posts as well.
+1
 
Why not make suggestion threads upvoteable just like Question threads. Of course suggestion itself should be upvoteable.

Edit: I saw older comments after I wrote this.
 

Revverie

Knight at Arms
I don't know if anyone has said this before but entering the forum now in my phone (android) it's an annoyance, because before I could enter the Bannerlord forums by pressing forums in the main page and now I have to open the bar on too left and then enter the forums. Not something too annoying but annoying nonetheless, also, before when I pressed taleworlds I would enter the forums now I press Taleworlds and I enter the main page I have no reason to use at all.
 

Janus

*spicy* *camper*
Administrator
WBWF&SM&BVC
also, before when I pressed taleworlds I would enter the forums now I press Taleworlds and I enter the main page I have no reason to use at all.
This was an inadvertent change from the restructure of the page header, so I've just switched the top TaleWorlds logo on narrow/mobile devices to point to the forum index.
For the other part, I guess you mean the link to the Bannerlord forums (along with other game forum links) which was on the home page, and which now shows up as part of the page header on wider screens but is hidden on narrow/mobile screens? If so, @Callum would be the one to address that.
 
Modding Q&A
1) Please add a tooltip similar to 'Mark as Solution' for the vote up
2) As filter options there are 'Only show questions that have received no answers' and 'Only show questions you've answered' which might have more or less uses. The thing we would really need though would be a 'Only show questions with no solution' filter option.
3) I personally find that voting system useless and unnecessary.
4) Please remove the 'similar threads' at the bottom, it's just filling up space and doesn't seem to show useful threads for me
many times I wanted to search for topics related only to warband and not Bannerlord, which I think is missing a search filter in that aspect
 

Eärendil Ardamírë

Subforum Moderator
WBWF&SM&B
many times I wanted to search for topics related only to warband and not Bannerlord, which I think is missing a search filter in that aspect
If you want to do so, click on the board of the Forge, then go to the search field, type in your search words with + between them and select 'This Forum' instead of 'everywhere'. Then you only get Forge (Warband) related results.
 

Dyktator

Sergeant Knight
NWWF&SWBM&BVC
What happened to the Steam profile banners? Are they still somewhere visible and I'm just blind or this feature disappeared?
 
I would be nice if the search engine was improved to locate and feature more relevant entries. Moreover, the new text panel is utterly terrible. The change was for the worse, as it was just useless. Some options are hidden across many categories accessible by clicking on these buttons with three dots. This all just hinders one's ability to use the options quickly, as they have to click on the button in order to have the other features appear. It is just annoying and slows down the process. Moreover, anyone with a desktop screen larger than 800*600 will agree, as the unneeded change left a lot of space in the panel; there is room for the hidden options (i.e. missing from main view).

As I forgot to add, new hyperlink color is awful too. The previous one was way better.
 

Alphα

Section Moderator
WBWF&SNW
I don't. Sorry, but that always seemed like a pretty useless aspect of my profile, at least to me. And, you could never choose to not have it shown. If it was optional, though, that would be fine.

I agree.

Being said, I want my favorite Rodok profile title back :mrgreen:
Big fan of big crossbows! Everyone should know
 
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