I don't know how internally Total War works under the hood but from what I have played and seen, I can say that they are not reflecting 1-1 sound of the battlefield - on purpose.
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Of course, I don't disagree with you and certainly total war does simulate/cheats that density, however in my ear it does so with a greater sensitivity to fool it into believing that what I hear equates to what is happening.I don't know how internally Total War works under the hood but from what I have played and seen, I can say that they are not reflecting 1-1 sound of the battlefield - on purpose.
Currently, in Bannerlord each agent/soldier is broadcasting a sound event in 3D. Whether it's footsteps, hit, yell it's always like that. And this is a problem. Because when you have 1k agents on the battlefield sending events to your soundbus, it's creating issues for your soundplayer while merging and reflecting all of them. This is exactly the reason why we have this weird "sound channel" thingy in Performance options.
I think Total War is doing something similar to this,
- Based on unit count on the map, picking and perhaps merging sounds beforhand
- Based on the camera distance it's adjusting the sound intensity and playing that sound.
- Picking action cues, such as horseman dying or shield hits and emitting sound from that action while merged clash ambience is still playing
And that's why, for example, in the video, you put, at 02:08 to 02:12 you are not feeling any sound difference even though the location is completely different and the "actions" should be different as well. But it's simply continuing the same ambience because it's still the clash ambience between same units and same formations "horseman vs infantry". This gives a nice fake feeling of war ambience and that's the reason we like it ( I like it too btw even though I kinda ruined the magic right now I guess
Doing this on Bannerlord ain't easy - since each sound is 3D and you are actually a single man in that battle and you need that 3D knowledge to know if someone is running at you. This still can be tackled by removing distant sounds and replacing them with pre-assembled ambience sound. This isn't easy as I said but it will 100% increase the performance because the current approach is just sucking CPU. And it will definitely give a better sense of war and mayhem feeling to players.
Actually, I have an idea to try out but I hate Modding Tools and it appears to be the only way to add sounds right now so if you want to try something DM me Terco, we can discuss this
Shouldn't it improve performance?
As far as I know, Ugurcan is not responsible for integrating the content into the game. We can ask him but I don't know his username in here. But the issue is not that implementation, the issue is the current implementation we have. It's causing performance problems.
Yes that implementation would improve the performance by taking the load off from CPU.
Oh, I thought he took care of the task globally (audio director). The alias as I remember it is Kabraxis.
Calabanar.
Other than foot steps, seeing these soldiers talking each other in the video is giving the soldiers more life. I would like to see that in the bannerlord as well. İncluding npc's that communicate with each other in the towns, bandits when you enter the talking screen (''I will drink from ur skull'' is more than enough for me
) even the lords can say some words releated to your relationship with them. Like if they don't like you they can say ''You again'' or if they're your friend they can say like more friendly words., we couldn't achieved this so far.
.Great news! Any chance to get a lil more information about this feature branch? I'm guessing that it's a new sound library/system integration that grants you more flexibility than PSAI - but apart from that, there is no solid example that you can share with us?
.. do you think it's feasible to do implement in Bannerlord? Or is this new system somehow handles all these cases anyway so under the hood by merging sounds to create Total Warestique ambience even with entity-based 3D sounds?I think Total War is doing something similar to this,
- Based on unit count on the map, picking and perhaps merging sounds beforhand
- Based on the camera distance it's adjusting the sound intensity and playing that sound.
- Picking action cues, such as horseman dying or shield hits and emitting sound from that action while merged clash ambience is still playing
And that's why, for example, in the video, you put, at 02:08 to 02:12 you are not feeling any sound difference even though the location is completely different and the "actions" should be different as well. But it's simply continuing the same ambience because it's still the clash ambience between same units and same formations "horseman vs infantry". This gives a nice fake feeling of war ambience and that's the reason we like it ( I like it too btw even though I kinda ruined the magic right now I guess
Doing this on Bannerlord ain't easy - since each sound is 3D and you are actually a single man in that battle and you need that 3D knowledge to know if someone is running at you. This still can be tackled by removing distant sounds and replacing them with pre-assembled ambience sound. This isn't easy as I said but it will 100% increase the performance because the current approach is just sucking CPU. And it will definitely give a better sense of war and mayhem feeling to players.
