Fixing ladders needs to be the very next thing

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Callum

Community Lead
We are aware of the current issues with sieges, including ladders, siege towers and attacking the second gate, and are working on solutions to these problems as a priority.
 

Nova123

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M&BWBWF&SNW
We are aware of the current issues with sieges, including ladders, siege towers and attacking the second gate, and are working on solutions to these problems as a priority.
Glad to hear it because frankly the poor state of sieges/AI is indefensible for a game that has been in development for nearly 12 years now...
 

kreamy

Sergeant
There is nothing more immersion breaking in this game right now than how badly AI units do pathing up ladders. A lot of the main gameplay is at least up to levels of rough adequacy. But sieges and the ladder mosh puts are pre-beta level broken. It's not reasonable to expect fans to put up with this problem indefinitely. I don't think there's anything left in the game as horribly broken as the siege AI.

Which is a real pity because if it could just get that polish it needed on sieges, this game would be in amazing condition. It would remove the single biggest remaining frustration players have with the game and may wind up solving the siege performance problems along the way (pathing calculations for a large battle are one of the things that eat up a lot of CPU cycles, bad pathing -> requiring more frequent recalculations -> extra load on the CPU)

That said -- it's time, TaleWorlds. If you can't fix the existing module start the process of ripping it out and replacing it. Some legacy spaghetti code is probably at the core of why it performs so badly in siege right now anyway when the pathing isn't all that bad in general.

The core of the problem in my mind is based in my observation of how things are NOT working, everyone is trying to get to the spot at the bottom of the ladder so they can climb up, but the spot is only just big enough to accomodate one person and collision is making it impossible for anyone to get to that precise point as a result.

The solution could be as simple as widening the snap-to-ladder aperture so that if soldiers are at the base of the ladder, at least one soldier sticks to the bottom of an empty ladder at any given time, and assigning a FIFO priority chain in terms of who goes next rather than making them all engage in a mass shoving match to get to the exact spot of the bottom of the ladder at the exact same time.

Alternatively, make them cluster 3 paces back from the ladder and only release one soldier from that position at a time, and that only when a certain group of pixels on the ladder is clear at the moment. We know this can be done because the method is used in other siege functions, such as assaulting the gate where a group of reserves hangs back while specific members of that group are assigned to points in front of the door.

Either way would be a simpler and more effective solution than the spastic mosh pit we have going on at the bottom of our ladders right now.

It would also be useful if there was a column formation in the game in general. If there was, it could be adapted to make the troops line up and take turns on the ladder.
if they fix ladders, you will be able to conquer easily, and if you conquer easily, you will beat the game, and if you beat the game, you wont want to play again, and if you wont want to play again, TW loses.
 

yangot

Regular
if they fix ladders, you will be able to conquer easily, and if you conquer easily, you will beat the game, and if you beat the game, you wont want to play again, and if you wont want to play again, TW loses.
They should improve siege defense too once they fixed the ladder or siege attack overall. I love the hard earned castle/city
 

yangot

Regular
Bannerlord was announced in 2012, it is conceivable with leaks and rumors that it was in development well into 2009-10, thus 12 years.
They or at least one of the dev already explained the reason of prolonged development. Also, there's no way that they intentionally delayed the development of the game, its no good for business side. Possibly due to problem on development stage or again due to reasons expressed by one of the dev.
 
@Callum please is it possible to change the teleport of reinforcements for the large battles.
It does not fit in a game that is about strategy and tactics, it ruins all immersion with the sci-fi reinforcements.
 

Ling*

Knight at Arms
@Callum please is it possible to change the teleport of reinforcements for the large battles.
It does not fit in a game that is about strategy and tactics, it ruins all immersion with the sci-fi reinforcements.
I much prefer how reinforcements are handled in Total War games, they appear as a group, on the border of the map and once they enter the battlefield you can then take command.
 
I heard Bannerlords development started after the reveal from a dev once.
I heard that the sky is purple once.

They or at least one of the dev already explained the reason of prolonged development. Also, there's no way that they intentionally delayed the development of the game, its no good for business side. Possibly due to problem on development stage or again due to reasons expressed by one of the dev.
I'm not saying they delayed development. I don't exactly know what they were doing during those 10-12 years, but most of it was either slacking off or doing a piss-poor job that had to be fixed later. I imagine the game has been re-made probably 3 times over by now, I wouldn't be surprised if they threw everything out and started from scratch around 2014-2015.
 

CrazyElf

Veteran
We are aware of the current issues with sieges, including ladders, siege towers and attacking the second gate, and are working on solutions to these problems as a priority.

Would it be possible when the team is back on July 26 to clarify in greater detail what is being worked on?

Separate note - but enjoy your honeymoon.
 

Danny5

Sergeant
Would it be possible when the team is back on July 26 to clarify in greater detail what is being worked on?

Separate note - but enjoy your honeymoon.
Possibly the same as the last dev video, like terrain battle, keep battles, balancing, bug fixing, crashes, a new sheep model, and many more!
 

Nova123

Recruit
M&BWBWF&SNW
12 years? Where the hell did you get that figure from?
They revealed a teaser for Mount and Blade 2 in 2009 iirc. Seems weird to tease a game and then not start development on it so I assume at least some development has taken place since then...
 
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