Fire by rank/Volley fire causing bigger morale loss?

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Recruitademt 说:
Emh no, volley fireing was used when big smoke clouds caused your blindness and your aiming, it was much easier to fight in windy weathers since the smoke disapeard faster then.
Volley fire is everyone shooting at once, reloading, and shooting again. This creates a lot of smoke, because everyone's gun discharges at the same time. Independent fire / fire at will means troops will shoot and reload in their own time, creating the same amount of smoke, but giving it time to discharge between shots. Troops were not taught to aim muskets, just point them at the enemy and pull the trigger. They didn't really start drilling them to select targets until the late 18th century, by which time they were already experimenting with smokeless powder.
If 50 men are fighting in a line and one of them put a shot up to the enemies the smoke from the gun will block about 2-4 of the other guys sights
Find a musket with a sight :lol:
 
Captured Joe 说:
Recruitademt 说:
Emh no, volley fireing was used when big smoke clouds caused your blindness and your aiming, it was much easier to fight in windy weathers since the smoke disapeard faster then. This is something you can figure out yourself really.

If 50 men are fighting in a line and one of them put a shot up to the enemies the smoke from the gun will block about 2-4 of the other guys sights, that's why repeatedly fire couldn't be used. This is atleast how the Swedish fought, I don't know if the other ones had magic muskets which didn't puff out smoke when fired, if so I'm sorry for being wrong.
It didn't matter how you shoot, you'll always get smoke. In a Napoleonic fire-fight (in which time the muskets made a bit less smoke (I thought) than earlier), soldiers could see nothing anymore after a few volleys due to the smoke ; some of them said they only knew the enemy was still there because the Sergeants were constantly pushing replacements forward when soldiers fell.

Firing in volleys was invented because it had much more effect than a single shot, as muskets and arquebuses were notoriously unaccurate, and a volley would hit the enemy harder than single shots.

To make yourself reasonable in English is a pain in the ass for me, I'm very bad at it.

Since there was a lot of smoke in the time given due to the muskets, the volleyfireing was invented to prevent the sight from being blocked. IF everyonewas  fireing at the same time no one would get a bad shooting vision since everyone would most likely just reload when the smoke was still infront of them, then when the smoke slowly started to raise another command was given to fire and so on.

When indipendence fire was used, the smoke from the guy next to you blocked your own vision if you was about to shoot right after him, that's why it wasn't so effective.

In the beginning of the 18th century, the swedish guys used the carolean tactic which meant they advanced right through the smoke right after they had reloaded their guns, and then fired again, made a smoke cloud infront of them, reloaded and used the smoke for a vision protection against their enemies, advanced, fired and so on, til they got right infront of the enemies. Then at the last volley they didn't reload but instead plugged their bayonetes (The enemies most often thought they were still reloading) and charged right through the smoke against the enemies, it says this was a very succeful tactic.

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Archonsod 说:
Recruitademt 说:
Emh no, volley fireing was used when big smoke clouds caused your blindness and your aiming, it was much easier to fight in windy weathers since the smoke disapeard faster then.
Volley fire is everyone shooting at once, reloading, and shooting again. This creates a lot of smoke, because everyone's gun discharges at the same time. Independent fire / fire at will means troops will shoot and reload in their own time, creating the same amount of smoke, but giving it time to discharge between shots. Troops were not taught to aim muskets, just point them at the enemy and pull the trigger. They didn't really start drilling them to select targets until the late 18th century, by which time they were already experimenting with smokeless powder.
If 50 men are fighting in a line and one of them put a shot up to the enemies the smoke from the gun will block about 2-4 of the other guys sights
Find a musket with a sight :lol:
there was a reason the order for muskets was "Ready! Level! FIRE!!!!"
 
Recruitademt 说:
Since there was a lot of smoke in the time given due to the muskets, the volleyfireing was invented to prevent the sight from being blocked.
You don't sight down a musket. You can't in fact, unless you have eyes designed to withstand the heat, fire and black powder discharge that will come out of the gun. Matchlocks in particular, usually these guns were still fired from a stand rather than the shoulder as they are in game. It's not till sealed chambers began to be used (I think the snaphaunce is the first) that you could actually take aim with a musket without incurring permanent blindness.
In the beginning of the 18th century, the swedish guys used the carolean tactic which meant they advanced right through the smoke right after they had reloaded their guns, and then fired again, made a smoke cloud infront of them, reloaded and used the smoke for a vision protection against their enemies, advanced, fired and so on, til they got right infront of the enemies. Then at the last volley they didn't reload but instead plugged their bayonetes (The enemies most often thought they were still reloading) and charged right through the smoke against the enemies, it says this was a very succeful tactic.
Standard tactic for all musket armies prior to 1830. Volley, advance, volley, bayonet charge (the smoke from the final volley was often used to hide the switch to bayonets).
 
Recruitademt 说:
Since there was a lot of smoke in the time given due to the muskets, the volleyfireing was invented to prevent the sight from being blocked. IF everyonewas  fireing at the same time no one would get a bad shooting vision since everyone would most likely just reload when the smoke was still infront of them, then when the smoke slowly started to raise another command was given to fire and so on.

When indipendence fire was used, the smoke from the guy next to you blocked your own vision if you was about to shoot right after him, that's why it wasn't so effective.
No. Aiming with a musket at a single target was useless, due to the bad accuracy, so they just fired all weapons in the direction of the enemy. Again, bad accuracy meant that only volleys had some effect.

Recruitademt 说:
In the beginning of the 18th century, the swedish guys used the carolean tactic which meant they advanced right through the smoke right after they had reloaded their guns, and then fired again, made a smoke cloud infront of them, reloaded and used the smoke for a vision protection against their enemies, advanced, fired and so on, til they got right infront of the enemies. Then at the last volley they didn't reload but instead plugged their bayonetes (The enemies most often thought they were still reloading) and charged right through the smoke against the enemies, it says this was a very succeful tactic.
No. The Caroleans were renowned for firing only one volley (at very close range) and then draw their swords (bayonets were already attached), and charge with musket and sword in hand. In some battles, they didn't even fire at all, but just charged.
At the battle of Holowczyn, however, the Russians fired volleys at them and then retreated, fired and repeated it, so the Swedes were forced to advance while firing at the Russians (if their choice, they would just charge in and hack around). Probably that's how you came at that idea.
 
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