Ferguson Riots

[Swissky]

Ajm a speshul snowflöjk!

 

[Vicccard]

It's a bad thing without a doubt, but if doing a ****ty thing makes you a ****ty person there's not one person on this forum who's not a ****ty person.

Yeah. There's just a tiny difference between a **** (guilty as charged  ) and performing serious crimes like robbery.

 

[Krik]

A criminal calling me an idiot and a special snowflake for not being a criminal, in defense of another criminal.

Didn't call you an idiot, said you were unique because you left home and started your own life at 16 or whatever age. Not because you weren't a criminal. Except using drugs (which I've quit entirely recently), I haven't committed a crime in at least 2 years. But whatever keep being a **** instead of just having a conversation, I'm certainly not missing out on anything.

 

[Austupaio]

But whatever keep being a **** instead of just having a conversation

Implying you didn't immediately attack my character and use it in your argument. Conversation my ass.

Really, I'm not sure what there is to discuss. Rob stores, fight cops, get shot. That's how it is, and I'm fine with that.

 

[Krik]

I was seriously just trying to say that you're different from the norm and grew up a lot earlier. I don't see how that's an attack on your character.

 

[Austupaio]

Maybe you're right and I'm over-reacting on that point, I'm just having trouble seeing the relevance.

He was eighteen, an adult. Perhaps he was not emotionally mature enough to start a career or get married, but he was mature to decide, for himself and of his own accord, to become a violent criminal. I don't have any sympathy for violent criminals who are of sane mind and do not see why I should.

Nor is it really relevant to the news now, for that matter...

 

[Krik]

I just figured you'd have a different view on people being mature at that age. I just think it's messed up he gets paraded around as a horrible person when he never even had a chance to change for the better. It takes some people years for their conscience to actually change them.

But you're right it's completely irrelevant now.

 

[Kobrag]

I am still horrified that being perceived as violent is a genuine reason to get shot in the US even if you are unarmed.
Police here train their butts off to take in a person no matter what state of mind they are in, drunk, high, mentally ill or in a frothing blood-soaked rage.
Police may enforcers of the law but every citizen has the right to address their accusers in a court of law, not left for dead at the side of the road.

M.B for all I know could have been accused of serial paedophilia with a side order of snuff film production, he still would have the expectation to be kept alive until after a Jury had decided on his guilt and a Judge on sentencing [sans plea-deal].

I thank every police officer that actually does their ****ing job and isn't a closet sociopath. 

 

[Anthropoid]

Who is "David Horowitz" and why does he hate progress so much? 

David Horowitz: The Left’s Destruction of Inner-City Communities
March 12, 2015 by Frontpagemag.com 30 Comments
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/frontpagemag-com/david-horowitz-the-lefts-destruction-of-inner-city-communities/

--Video--

When Peter Collier and I left the Left 30 years ago we took an inventory of what their successes were so we would focus our efforts on fighting them where they had essentially won ground, and we saw that they had captured already our universities and our schools and the media, but I also noted because I had spent years fighting for civil rights since I was a child that the Left had taken over the political structure of the black community.  It was totally dominated by the Left, which is how two race hustlers and extortionists managed to succeed Martin Luther King as the head of the so-called civil rights movement. I knew that the Left’s domination of the black community was very bad news for African Americans in this country.

Progressives and Democrats control every major city of any size and every major inner city of any size in America, as you’ve heard me say before.  Everything’s that’s wrong with the inner cities of America, that policy can affect progressives, leftists, Democrats are responsible for.  They have monopoly control in all these cities:  Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, St. Louis.  There’s not a Republican in sight.  Progressive welfare policies destroyed the black family beginning in the 1960s.  Seventy-five percent of African American children were born to two parents at that time.  Now, 80 percent in the inner cities are born out of wedlock.  The absence of a father and authority figure in the home, often complicated when the mother works as well as raising her children, has produced a series of pathologies which we summarize as the underclass, which were predicted by Daniel Moynihan in 1965, of violence, drug abuse, and criminality.

Leftists controlled all the public schools in which inner city kids are failing, all these failed schools that year in and year out don’t teach the kids basic tools they need to succeed, so that 30 to 40 percent of inner city kids don’t graduate and 30 to 40 percent of those who do graduate functionally illiterate and will never get a shot at the American dream, and yet, all the Democrats in Congress send their kids to private schools.  They fight vouchers.  They won’t let these kids get a private school education, including the President of the United States, they get it for their kids, and it’s always very, very frustrating to me to watch this taking place and not know exactly what could be done about it, which I’ll get to in a moment.

Now, we’re witnessing a war against the police conducted by the same Left.  I can tell you exactly when that war began.  It began with the creation of the Black Panther party in the 1960s, who patrolled the streets with loaded shotguns and harassed police officers making arrests, and started this mythology of a vast police oppression in the inner cities.  I was a radical as you know at that time and I bought into this, and when the police were investigating the Panthers, I bought the argument that it’s a racist police force and they’re harassing the Panthers because they’re militant black leaders.  I raised a lot of money to buy a school for the Panthers.  They used the school money to buy drugs.  They conducted drug deals in the school.  There was a fatality.  A friend of mine, whom I had recruited to keep the books in the school, was murdered and that was the end of my career in the left, but I did investigations for many years after that.  They had killed 13 people that I could identify, all of them black except this woman.

When I left the Left, I joined the Open Athletic Club and my workout partner was a recently retired head of homicide, and I said to him why didn’t you guys ever nail Huey Newton and the Black Panthers, and he said, oh, we never wanted to get a call from that side of town because you guys would be on our ass, calling us racists, saying, “police brutality,” and you’d have your lawyers all over us and your press all over us, and I had an epiphany in that moment that the left, the progressive left, the civil rights left is a protection racket for black criminals and for criminals generally.

We witnessed in Ferguson a 4-month modern-day lynch mob convict the cop because he’s white, convict him in advance of the evidence or else, and then when the evidence comes in and shows that this individual was resisting arrest — I mean how many people would attack an armed police officer in his police car, and that police officer was fighting for his life — and yet so powerful is this leftist ideology that you have sports athletes, hero figures to American youth, “hands up, don’t shoot,” or “can’t breathe,” an assault on the police force.

Eric Holder, a leader of that lynch mob, had just issued his report from Ferguson.  Even though he had all these leftwing lawyers looking for evidence, anything they could twist into saying that the cop was racist, they couldn’t find any evidence whatsoever for the incident that triggered their investigation, but they have indicted the whole police force. And how are they indicted?  Sixty-seven percent of Ferguson residents are African American.  Ninety-three percent of the arrests are of African Americans.  That disparity is their evidence of racism.  Well, I’ve got news for them.  There’s other statistics.  Black males constitute 6 percent of the population and they are responsible for 40 to 50 percent of all violent crimes.  That explains that other disparity.  If you’ve committed a crime, you’re going to be arrested.  And there’s another statistic. Ninety-five percent of the victims of black criminals are blacks.

What the Left has done, what the Democratic Party is doing is making African Americans, who are unfortunate to have to live in the inner cities, victims of crime.  You see that in New York already.  Because of De Blasio stopping the stop and frisk policy, murders are up 20 percent.  Now, another thing the Left has done — they’ve done it to us nationally in many areas like our universities, but to the black community as well — is to create a one-party state, which means if you stand up to them, you are going to be cut down.  I have a lot of scars to show, but it’s nothing compared to what black conservatives or blacks who challenge this orthodoxy — they don’t have to be even conservative, just challenge this orthodoxy — have to bear.

In the midst of these terrible national events and this incredible tragedy for the black community, because there is suffering doing on right now because of what Eric Holder and Barack Obama and his advisor on race relations, the chief lynch mob leader in the country, Al Sharpton, and a criminal himself, have done, is there is so much suffering going on.  Our guest today, in the midst of this wave of bigotry against police — I mean they attacked the New York Police Department whose majority are Hispanics and blacks, not even a white majority, as racist.  Suddenly, you see on your television screens a voice speaking reason, speaking the truth, defending the facts, and not backing down doing it.
(Continued)
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/frontpagemag-com/david-horowitz-the-lefts-destruction-of-inner-city-communities

 

[Kobrag]

...
If you are responding to me, I do not see how it is connected to what I wrote.
Please state, in your own reasoning, why this article is an argument against what I wrote. 

And frankly its an awful piece, ignoring the blatent soap-boxing at a targeted audience rather than attempting well rounded discussion piece;
Victim blaming, blanketing, and a few false equivalencies-or at least deliberate withholding connected information to put spin on an event.

 

[Mage246]

Did it remind you of a particular poster?

 

[Anthropoid]

...
If you are responding to me, I do not see how it is connected to what I wrote.
Please state, in your own reasoning, why this article is an argument against what I wrote. 

And frankly its an awful piece, ignoring the blatent soap-boxing at a targeted audience rather than attempting well rounded discussion piece;
Victim blaming, blanketing, and a few false equivalencies-or at least deliberate withholding connected information to put spin on an event.

I have a hard time coming up with anything like a substantive rebuttal to it. Apart from a general ideological-allergic reaction, was there something in particular that you found inaccurate or false in it?

And BTW it wasn't really a post in response to you. Just sort of a "oh look what this side is saying." Post.

I live in Atlanta, seemingly one of the only cities in the U.S. which has somehow recovered from the scars of American racist and racialist past. 75% of the residents in the county I live in are of African American ancestry. I live in a "black neighborhood." My barber is black, my vet is black, my dentist is black, when I go to my grocery store, I am often one of only two white people (else the ONLY) white person in the store. Any time I drive around the city I see black people everywhere I turn. The technical school where I'm taking classes has about a 90% black student body and probably 75% black faculty and 95% black staff. I have black friends who come over for dinner from time to time, most of the people I do business with are black, and whenever I hire work to be done (carpentry, plumbing, electrical, etc.) 7 times out of 10 the workman is black.

So I am a white guy living in a thoroughly "black" social context. In contrast to when I lived in New England, or Missouri, I don't feel the LEAST bit of racial tension at any time in Atlanta. To be completely honest, I think I felt a bit of "Oh ****. Black Anger directed my way" maybe TWICE in the 13 years I've lived here: once when I went driving into one of the most crime ridden neighborhoods of the city and sitting at a traffic light, a group of young black men started hovering around my vehicle chirping threatening racial epithets; once while I used the MARTA train late at night and a single young black man glared at me menacingly non-stop during the 5 to 10 minutes that we were standing on the platform.

So, from my perspective, there isn't much of a "race problem" in the U.S., at least not as it directly impacts me. The fact that life seems to be so harmonious and beneficient here in Atlanta leads me to wonder how it is that whatever lessons have been learned here have failed to be exported to other areas of the country where there do seem to be serious black-white race tensions, such as St. Louis, New York, Baltimore, etc.

 

[Kobrag]

Mage, If you are alluding to what I think you are, it's rather ironic.
Since I have the firm belief that, after comparing others against you, we are the most alike in opinion and style.   
Except maybe a certain Norwegian, but that is prolly wishful thinking

...
If you are responding to me, I do not see how it is connected to what I wrote.
Please state, in your own reasoning, why this article is an argument against what I wrote. 

And frankly its an awful piece, ignoring the blatent soap-boxing at a targeted audience rather than attempting well rounded discussion piece;
Victim blaming, blanketing, and a few false equivalencies-or at least deliberate withholding connected information to put spin on an event.

I have a hard time coming up with anything like a substantive rebuttal to it. Apart from a general ideological-allergic reaction, was there something in particular that you found inaccurate or false in it?

And BTW it wasn't really a post in response to you. Just sort of a "oh look what this side is saying." Post.

I live in Atlanta, seemingly one of the only cities in the U.S. which has somehow recovered from the scars of American racist and racialist past. 75% of the residents in the county I live in are of African American ancestry. I live in a "black neighborhood." My barber is black, my vet is black, my dentist is black, when I go to my grocery store, I am often one of only two white people (else the ONLY) white person in the store. Any time I drive around the city I see black people everywhere I turn. The technical school where I'm taking classes has about a 90% black student body and probably 75% black faculty and 95% black staff. I have black friends who come over for dinner from time to time, most of the people I do business with are black, and whenever I hire work to be done (carpentry, plumbing, electrical, etc.) 7 times out of 10 the workman is black.

So I am a white guy living in a thoroughly "black" social context. In contrast to when I lived in New England, or Missouri, I don't feel the LEAST bit of racial tension at any time in Atlanta. To be completely honest, I think I felt a bit of "Oh ****. Black Anger directed my way" maybe TWICE in the 13 years I've lived here: once when I went driving into one of the most crime ridden neighborhoods of the city and sitting at a traffic light, a group of young black men started hovering around my vehicle chirping threatening racial epithets; once while I used the MARTA train late at night and a single young black man glared at me menacingly non-stop during the 5 to 10 minutes that we were standing on the platform.

So, from my perspective, there isn't much of a "race problem" in the U.S., at least not as it directly impacts me. The fact that life seems to be so harmonious and beneficient here in Atlanta leads me to wonder how it is that whatever lessons have been learned here have failed to be exported to other areas of the country where there do seem to be serious black-white race tensions, such as St. Louis, New York, Baltimore, etc.

Oh cool.
As for inaccuracies the glaring one is that the NYPD didn't just stop Stop-and Frisk, but virtually all policing altogether after facing critisism.

 

[Tibertus]

How does robbing a store and shoving the poor clerk into a shelf not make him automatically a ****ty person? That's pure ****ty behavior right there.

Because you never met the ****ing guy, the only thing you know about him is that he was a big black guy that robbed a store before getting shot to death. Now I'm not saying he's innocent or that it justifies rioting but he was ****ing young. I broke into several houses when I was a kid with directionless rage I'd hardly say I deserved to die.This isn't solely at you either, I think this every time someone says that he deserved it because he was a criminal. It's just such a ****ing black and white way to see things.

No, he wasn't ****ing young. So many people have their **** figured out at that age. And frankly if you don't by then, they're most likely going to continue being ****ty throughout life. If you have directionless rage, I'd say that makes you a ****ty person as well. So many people get to adulthood without doing ****ty things like B&E or theft. The norm is not being ****ty, or at least it should be. So yeah, if the choice is between being a ****ty person, or not, I'll have a black and white view of it. Now I'm not saying let's round up all the ****ty people and kill them, but if their lifestyle choice of being a ****ty person ultimately leads to them being shot by a police officer, I will have absolutely no remorse for them.

 

[Cernunos]

隐藏

Who is "David Horowitz" and why does he hate progress so much? 

David Horowitz: The Left’s Destruction of Inner-City Communities
March 12, 2015 by Frontpagemag.com 30 Comments
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/frontpagemag-com/david-horowitz-the-lefts-destruction-of-inner-city-communities/

--Video--

When Peter Collier and I left the Left 30 years ago we took an inventory of what their successes were so we would focus our efforts on fighting them where they had essentially won ground, and we saw that they had captured already our universities and our schools and the media, but I also noted because I had spent years fighting for civil rights since I was a child that the Left had taken over the political structure of the black community.  It was totally dominated by the Left, which is how two race hustlers and extortionists managed to succeed Martin Luther King as the head of the so-called civil rights movement. I knew that the Left’s domination of the black community was very bad news for African Americans in this country.

Progressives and Democrats control every major city of any size and every major inner city of any size in America, as you’ve heard me say before.  Everything’s that’s wrong with the inner cities of America, that policy can affect progressives, leftists, Democrats are responsible for.  They have monopoly control in all these cities:  Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, St. Louis.  There’s not a Republican in sight.  Progressive welfare policies destroyed the black family beginning in the 1960s.  Seventy-five percent of African American children were born to two parents at that time.  Now, 80 percent in the inner cities are born out of wedlock.  The absence of a father and authority figure in the home, often complicated when the mother works as well as raising her children, has produced a series of pathologies which we summarize as the underclass, which were predicted by Daniel Moynihan in 1965, of violence, drug abuse, and criminality.

Leftists controlled all the public schools in which inner city kids are failing, all these failed schools that year in and year out don’t teach the kids basic tools they need to succeed, so that 30 to 40 percent of inner city kids don’t graduate and 30 to 40 percent of those who do graduate functionally illiterate and will never get a shot at the American dream, and yet, all the Democrats in Congress send their kids to private schools.  They fight vouchers.  They won’t let these kids get a private school education, including the President of the United States, they get it for their kids, and it’s always very, very frustrating to me to watch this taking place and not know exactly what could be done about it, which I’ll get to in a moment.

Now, we’re witnessing a war against the police conducted by the same Left.  I can tell you exactly when that war began.  It began with the creation of the Black Panther party in the 1960s, who patrolled the streets with loaded shotguns and harassed police officers making arrests, and started this mythology of a vast police oppression in the inner cities.  I was a radical as you know at that time and I bought into this, and when the police were investigating the Panthers, I bought the argument that it’s a racist police force and they’re harassing the Panthers because they’re militant black leaders.  I raised a lot of money to buy a school for the Panthers.  They used the school money to buy drugs.  They conducted drug deals in the school.  There was a fatality.  A friend of mine, whom I had recruited to keep the books in the school, was murdered and that was the end of my career in the left, but I did investigations for many years after that.  They had killed 13 people that I could identify, all of them black except this woman.

When I left the Left, I joined the Open Athletic Club and my workout partner was a recently retired head of homicide, and I said to him why didn’t you guys ever nail Huey Newton and the Black Panthers, and he said, oh, we never wanted to get a call from that side of town because you guys would be on our ass, calling us racists, saying, “police brutality,” and you’d have your lawyers all over us and your press all over us, and I had an epiphany in that moment that the left, the progressive left, the civil rights left is a protection racket for black criminals and for criminals generally.

We witnessed in Ferguson a 4-month modern-day lynch mob convict the cop because he’s white, convict him in advance of the evidence or else, and then when the evidence comes in and shows that this individual was resisting arrest — I mean how many people would attack an armed police officer in his police car, and that police officer was fighting for his life — and yet so powerful is this leftist ideology that you have sports athletes, hero figures to American youth, “hands up, don’t shoot,” or “can’t breathe,” an assault on the police force.

Eric Holder, a leader of that lynch mob, had just issued his report from Ferguson.  Even though he had all these leftwing lawyers looking for evidence, anything they could twist into saying that the cop was racist, they couldn’t find any evidence whatsoever for the incident that triggered their investigation, but they have indicted the whole police force. And how are they indicted?  Sixty-seven percent of Ferguson residents are African American.  Ninety-three percent of the arrests are of African Americans.  That disparity is their evidence of racism.  Well, I’ve got news for them.  There’s other statistics.  Black males constitute 6 percent of the population and they are responsible for 40 to 50 percent of all violent crimes.  That explains that other disparity.  If you’ve committed a crime, you’re going to be arrested.  And there’s another statistic. Ninety-five percent of the victims of black criminals are blacks.

What the Left has done, what the Democratic Party is doing is making African Americans, who are unfortunate to have to live in the inner cities, victims of crime.  You see that in New York already.  Because of De Blasio stopping the stop and frisk policy, murders are up 20 percent.  Now, another thing the Left has done — they’ve done it to us nationally in many areas like our universities, but to the black community as well — is to create a one-party state, which means if you stand up to them, you are going to be cut down.  I have a lot of scars to show, but it’s nothing compared to what black conservatives or blacks who challenge this orthodoxy — they don’t have to be even conservative, just challenge this orthodoxy — have to bear.

In the midst of these terrible national events and this incredible tragedy for the black community, because there is suffering doing on right now because of what Eric Holder and Barack Obama and his advisor on race relations, the chief lynch mob leader in the country, Al Sharpton, and a criminal himself, have done, is there is so much suffering going on.  Our guest today, in the midst of this wave of bigotry against police — I mean they attacked the New York Police Department whose majority are Hispanics and blacks, not even a white majority, as racist.  Suddenly, you see on your television screens a voice speaking reason, speaking the truth, defending the facts, and not backing down doing it.
(Continued)
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/frontpagemag-com/david-horowitz-the-lefts-destruction-of-inner-city-communities

Sad but true. SAme **** over here in France, except the left has also taken the justice system. France is ****ed.

 

[Anthropoid]

隐藏

Who is "David Horowitz" and why does he hate progress so much? 

David Horowitz: The Left’s Destruction of Inner-City Communities
March 12, 2015 by Frontpagemag.com 30 Comments
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/frontpagemag-com/david-horowitz-the-lefts-destruction-of-inner-city-communities/

--Video--

When Peter Collier and I left the Left 30 years ago we took an inventory of what their successes were so we would focus our efforts on fighting them where they had essentially won ground, and we saw that they had captured already our universities and our schools and the media, but I also noted because I had spent years fighting for civil rights since I was a child that the Left had taken over the political structure of the black community.  It was totally dominated by the Left, which is how two race hustlers and extortionists managed to succeed Martin Luther King as the head of the so-called civil rights movement. I knew that the Left’s domination of the black community was very bad news for African Americans in this country.

Progressives and Democrats control every major city of any size and every major inner city of any size in America, as you’ve heard me say before.  Everything’s that’s wrong with the inner cities of America, that policy can affect progressives, leftists, Democrats are responsible for.  They have monopoly control in all these cities:  Chicago, Detroit, Philadelphia, St. Louis.  There’s not a Republican in sight.  Progressive welfare policies destroyed the black family beginning in the 1960s.  Seventy-five percent of African American children were born to two parents at that time.  Now, 80 percent in the inner cities are born out of wedlock.  The absence of a father and authority figure in the home, often complicated when the mother works as well as raising her children, has produced a series of pathologies which we summarize as the underclass, which were predicted by Daniel Moynihan in 1965, of violence, drug abuse, and criminality.

Leftists controlled all the public schools in which inner city kids are failing, all these failed schools that year in and year out don’t teach the kids basic tools they need to succeed, so that 30 to 40 percent of inner city kids don’t graduate and 30 to 40 percent of those who do graduate functionally illiterate and will never get a shot at the American dream, and yet, all the Democrats in Congress send their kids to private schools.  They fight vouchers.  They won’t let these kids get a private school education, including the President of the United States, they get it for their kids, and it’s always very, very frustrating to me to watch this taking place and not know exactly what could be done about it, which I’ll get to in a moment.

Now, we’re witnessing a war against the police conducted by the same Left.  I can tell you exactly when that war began.  It began with the creation of the Black Panther party in the 1960s, who patrolled the streets with loaded shotguns and harassed police officers making arrests, and started this mythology of a vast police oppression in the inner cities.  I was a radical as you know at that time and I bought into this, and when the police were investigating the Panthers, I bought the argument that it’s a racist police force and they’re harassing the Panthers because they’re militant black leaders.  I raised a lot of money to buy a school for the Panthers.  They used the school money to buy drugs.  They conducted drug deals in the school.  There was a fatality.  A friend of mine, whom I had recruited to keep the books in the school, was murdered and that was the end of my career in the left, but I did investigations for many years after that.  They had killed 13 people that I could identify, all of them black except this woman.

When I left the Left, I joined the Open Athletic Club and my workout partner was a recently retired head of homicide, and I said to him why didn’t you guys ever nail Huey Newton and the Black Panthers, and he said, oh, we never wanted to get a call from that side of town because you guys would be on our ass, calling us racists, saying, “police brutality,” and you’d have your lawyers all over us and your press all over us, and I had an epiphany in that moment that the left, the progressive left, the civil rights left is a protection racket for black criminals and for criminals generally.

We witnessed in Ferguson a 4-month modern-day lynch mob convict the cop because he’s white, convict him in advance of the evidence or else, and then when the evidence comes in and shows that this individual was resisting arrest — I mean how many people would attack an armed police officer in his police car, and that police officer was fighting for his life — and yet so powerful is this leftist ideology that you have sports athletes, hero figures to American youth, “hands up, don’t shoot,” or “can’t breathe,” an assault on the police force.

Eric Holder, a leader of that lynch mob, had just issued his report from Ferguson.  Even though he had all these leftwing lawyers looking for evidence, anything they could twist into saying that the cop was racist, they couldn’t find any evidence whatsoever for the incident that triggered their investigation, but they have indicted the whole police force. And how are they indicted?  Sixty-seven percent of Ferguson residents are African American.  Ninety-three percent of the arrests are of African Americans.  That disparity is their evidence of racism.  Well, I’ve got news for them.  There’s other statistics.  Black males constitute 6 percent of the population and they are responsible for 40 to 50 percent of all violent crimes.  That explains that other disparity.  If you’ve committed a crime, you’re going to be arrested.  And there’s another statistic. Ninety-five percent of the victims of black criminals are blacks.

What the Left has done, what the Democratic Party is doing is making African Americans, who are unfortunate to have to live in the inner cities, victims of crime.  You see that in New York already.  Because of De Blasio stopping the stop and frisk policy, murders are up 20 percent.  Now, another thing the Left has done — they’ve done it to us nationally in many areas like our universities, but to the black community as well — is to create a one-party state, which means if you stand up to them, you are going to be cut down.  I have a lot of scars to show, but it’s nothing compared to what black conservatives or blacks who challenge this orthodoxy — they don’t have to be even conservative, just challenge this orthodoxy — have to bear.

In the midst of these terrible national events and this incredible tragedy for the black community, because there is suffering doing on right now because of what Eric Holder and Barack Obama and his advisor on race relations, the chief lynch mob leader in the country, Al Sharpton, and a criminal himself, have done, is there is so much suffering going on.  Our guest today, in the midst of this wave of bigotry against police — I mean they attacked the New York Police Department whose majority are Hispanics and blacks, not even a white majority, as racist.  Suddenly, you see on your television screens a voice speaking reason, speaking the truth, defending the facts, and not backing down doing it.
(Continued)
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/frontpagemag-com/david-horowitz-the-lefts-destruction-of-inner-city-communities

Sad but true. SAme **** over here in France, except the left has also taken the justice system. France is ****ed.

I for one, wouldn't want to see the "right take over" in place of "the left." Rather, I'd like to see something more akin to moderation and power-sharing so that neither extreme dominates any particular domain of life.

 

[Krik]

No, he wasn't ****ing young. So many people have their **** figured out at that age.

And yet so many don't have their **** figured out at that age.

And frankly if you don't by then, they're most likely going to continue being ****ty throughout life.

That's such a presumptuous bull**** statement. Especially when someone is surrounded with violence and ****ty behaviour with no choice of leaving the environment until they turn 18.

If you have directionless rage, I'd say that makes you a ****ty person as well.

It's not like that's something you just wake up and decide to have.

The norm is not being ****ty, or at least it should be.

Yeah it should be, but go to most ghettos and you'll see that they have entirely different norms for their kids.

So yeah, if the choice is between being a ****ty person, or not, I'll have a black and white view of it.

But that's not the choice, there is no straight up choice. There aren't just good guys who only do good things, and bad guys who only do bad things.

Now I'm not saying let's round up all the ****ty people and kill them, but if their lifestyle choice of being a ****ty person ultimately leads to them being shot by a police officer, I will have absolutely no remorse for them.

I'm not saying you should have remorse, I'm saying you shouldn't just dismiss somebody you know almost nothing about as a ****ty person.

 

[Flin Flon]

No, he wasn't ****ing young. So many people have their **** figured out at that age.

60% of students aren't certain with their education and life style. I think that's relevant.

And frankly if you don't by then, they're most likely going to continue being ****ty throughout life.

You're ****ting me, right? Humans are a species of constant adaptation and learning, especially at younger ages. If you're the same person you were when you were 18 then there must be something wrong with you.

 

[Tibertus]

This isn't a question of "do I want to go to college or not" or "I don't know what I want to do with my life". I'm talking about, hey, you're an adult; robbing a store has consequences, acting like a criminal has consequences, you should have it figured out by then that you aren't going to be a ****ty person. It's not like thug and pretty criminal is a legit life choice, and I don't see why you guys don't have that figured out. Acting like that is in no way a reasonable or acceptable behavior in response to not knowing what you want to be when you grow up.

 

[Austupaio]

Just a general response to Kobrag and Krik, not responding to any particular sentence or post as a couple of pages have gone by while I was asleep. For perspective I also pretty much agree with Tibertus, being 'lost' in life at 18 is an excuse for partying and wasting money, not robbery. Violent robbery is never acceptable, in any circumstance. Thievery can at least be justified with needs that can't be met, in extreme circumstances.

At what point did I ever say that he deserved to be shot? Do I personally feel that he deserved to be shot? Maybe... I've got pretty quick standards on human life based on that human's particular decisions, but I will admit that is subjective. But this isn't about deserved or not deserved, the fact is that he was shot in self-defense, and the fact that the shoot was performed by a policeman while Brown was actively engaged in criminal activity only reinforces the justification. If you can't handle that... I don't really know what to say. Get some perspective on life?

Finally, I believe he made the choice to be killed, he made the decision to be a violent criminal and death is a possible consequence of that. In general I feel that an active combat soldier has made a decision to actively risk his life, and that killing him is different from killing someone else if he is your enemy. A violent criminal is much the same, except that everyone is their enemy. It's 'horrifying that becoming a violent criminal can get you shot in America'? What? How the **** else should it be?

Are you being usual Kobrag and always implying that everything done in Britain is the best way to do it? Yeah, you're right, we should start charging people with assault for engaging in self-defense while the criminal gets off with ****ing reparations and a pat on the back.

What the hell is wrong with the British?