Ferguson Riots

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Tibertus 说:
Notice I said the US. Every cops seems to have their own car here. Unless they have a motorcycle or horse. It's extremely rare to find a cop on foot any more, and you never see them in pairs.

I know you said US, I was just trying to say (very poorly) that I don't see the sense in it when the tried-and-true methods seem to work pretty nicely. A body cam isn't going to cover you if you get into a dangerous situation, the maximum it will do is implicate your murderers if it gets to that.
 
So that is why my mother was playing Rule Britannia on the piano. Clearly Leifr and I have exchanged souls.
 
As far pairs of cops, they are occasionally paired and I believe that the S.O.P. is to dispatch the paired patrols to the worst sounding calls and the singular cops to the rest.

Partnered cops is unarguably better in every way and while it's logically the right thing to do, what's logical is not necessarily financially feasible. To ensure all patrols are paired, you'd need to cut the number of patrols per shift in half (that'll be good for crime rate) or hire even more new cops (that'll be good for the training issue that's been discussed).

Tibertus 说:
As far as body cams go. If Russian drivers have figured out the logistics, I'd hope our police forces could do the same.
Well, I know you're a smart dude so I'm guessing this is mostly tongue-in-cheek but I feel the need to clarify a few things anyway.

Dash cams aren't the same as body cams, or we wouldn't be having this discussion, nor do civilians have anywhere near the same requirements to operate a camera as a working police officer. Civilians basically have no rules while cops are drowned in them.

So, financially, there are nearly a million peace officers active in the United States. If we incredibly roughly say that a third of them (can be transferred between the three shifts of the day) need cameras, and just say they'll all get $250 dollar Go-Pro, that's around 85 million dollars for the cameras alone. That'll come out of the pockets of departments that haven't purchased Tasers yet, too.

Secondly, the logistics, are the cameras monitored by someone else at all times? I think many would agree this is unnecessary, but at the same time I've heard plenty of people say that's exactly what they mean by bodycams for every cop. So we'd need to pull a million professional camera watchers out of thin air, and they can't be random joes, they need to be versed in basic law and procedure.

Add in the technical aspects, how much footage will be stored, if not the entire shift? Where will it stored? I guarantee you the average Police Department does not have the server capabilities and storage space to start recording entire shifts of every patrol. Who even has access to these files? Is it restricted to prevent tampering and protect privacy or more general so that people can actually get their jobs done?

What kind of camera should it even be? Is a high resolution camera necessary? Many would say yes, but that would make the cameras more expensive, require considerable maintenance and complicate that computer storage problem even further. What about night vision, or zooming?

Which brings me to the legal problems, if the above is all resolved now every single police officer is a walking high-resolution night cam. Holy ****, the privacy infractions. I remember when people were outraged that cameras were being installed at intersections, and the talks of how we're becoming like nanny-state England and their endless CCTV coverage. In my opinion, this would be a one-up on England.

Not just civilian's privacy either, what about the cop's privacy? Does he get to turn the camera off when he's taking a ****?

To further the legal aspect, there's also the fact of what of this footage is admissible in court? Only a judge can really say, but no judge has time to watch an 8, 12 or even 16 hour shift worth of video footage, and that's assuming that only one day is applicable to the case.

That was pretty rambly, but it's a lot of thoughts that have come to me while people clamor 'body cams body cams!' without really thinking about how complicated that would really be.

Edit; in conclusion it all comes down to taxes. Taxes need to be higher to get this done, and no one will vote for more taxes, so it will take as long as it takes for technology to drag the government along with it.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-kX1Ep3i2Y

"It's not their flag".

That really rustled my jimmies, props to the Guards for restraining themselves from slapping the soul out of that guy.
 
Not really a strange choice of word, it was, to my knowledge, just for emphasis. Like slapping the **** out of someone.
 
@Austupaio

It might be worth considering that the biggest reason for a cop to have a bodycam (in my opinion, anyway) is to have a witness. This could be from a camera or a second officer. As you said, some police are paired and some are not. Those that are not could be given cams.

There are still tons of problems with it, many of which you brought up, like ensuring there aren't any privacy violations. Privacy of the officer is another important consideration. Like you said, should they be able to turn it off while taking a ****? How does the officer prove they didn't walk into a bathroom, turn it off, then walk back out and do something wrong? What if they forget to turn it back on? If they leave it on, it's not just a violation of their privacy either. Cameras in restrooms are obviously not well received by the public.

Maybe officers need more/better cameras for their vehicles. Dashcams aren't sufficient, but if they're legally allowed then I don't see why 360 degree camera coverage around the vehicle wouldn't be allowed either. Then at least an officer would have more security whenever they're around their vehicle.
 
Robot cops could have cameras built right in and they wouldn't need to ****. I do like the thought of someone watching the video recording of a cop ****ting for thirty minutes while groaning and whimpering as part of an investigation though.
 
Why would a judge have to review every part of a video? It's the job of the prosecution and defense to sift through the evidence and decide what needs to be presented in court.
 
Sir Saladin 说:
Robot cops could have cameras built right in and they wouldn't need to ****. I do like the thought of someone watching the video recording of a cop ****ting for thirty minutes while groaning and whimpering as part of an investigation though.

I recommend more fibre in your diet if you are often driven to whimpering- try to have meals with more salad in, Saladin.
 
The whimpering may be caused by forcing out an oversized fecal buttplug sideways, or from an unending torrent of excramental piss. Although in both cases it may just be pleading "Oh God, please make it stop". So increasing fibre may cause more harm than good :razz:
 
Mage246 说:
It's the job of the prosecution and defense to sift through the evidence
And in doing so they may be breaching someone's privacy. You don't have the right to record people in the bathroom while they're relieving themselves.
 
which has absolutely nothing to do with my objection to that part of Austapaio's post. If restroom scenes are being recorded, that's a problem even if a judge is seeing them. Reasonable expectation of privacy and all that.
 
Seems obvious the camera is to be turned on when on a case and shut off when it's considered over.

Related news:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30281735
 
Then what's to stop an officer from abusing his freedom to turn off the camera?
 
I suppose when the suspected perpetrator is brought to the jail with a broken jaw and the arresting cop has no video because he says he was taking a dump during the arrest and turned the camera off he'll have some splainin' to do.

Otherwise, nothing can stop him from abusing his freedoms.
 
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