Ferguson Riots

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jepekula 说:
So, if I understood correctly, this one guy got shot by a police officer, and now, a few months later, they are burning the city down?
Weren't they burning it down when the guy was shot, too?
In my opinion, burning a city down twice for someone getting shot sounds incredibly stupid, but hey, I guess I am just a racist or something.
Now they're rioting because the policeman was acquitted.
It's sad to see these riots over a case that doesn't seem one-sided at all.
There's plenty of corruption and poor police conduct to demonstrate about;
not to mention all the laws limiting peoples' freedom and civil liberties.
 
Humlenerd 说:
What Ferguson needs is Roof-Koreans.

I concur.

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That's not necessarily a case of race though, or at least in my opinion - that's just the result of a culture of fear, in both the initial 911 call and in the police response to it.
 
It was in the Ferguson Thread, I thought the implication was that there "should" be similar protests since it's a similar situation. If that wasn't the intention then my apologies. Still, yes, it's police brutality but especially in that instance it's not just the police you have to blame. Obviously a policeman shot the guy but that point in time was brought about due to, among other things, the media and about a decade of policy, along with a culture of violence creating people like Mr. Concerned Citizen calling up the police at the drop of a hat, and creating the police programs described in the article and the general militarization of the police that led to those officers storming the place like it was Favela in Call of Duty.

I doubt people are going to protest that, if there was going to be a protest it'd be about the police alone and would accomplish basically nothing, like the ones in Ferguson are currently doing.
 
Suspicious Pilgrim 说:
This has been flying under the radar completely, which is ridiculous. Why isn't this being protested?
Or the 12 year old black kid the cops did a drive by shooting on.
Not hearing much of that anywhere.
'Thought' he was 'around twenty'
But they stopped close enough to be endanger if it was an adult with a firearm, so clear line of sight.
Only gave a shout, startling him, before shooting him.

 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850234/Video-released-showing-police-shooting-Tamir-Rice-12-carrying-BB-gun.html

Sad events. i can understand to some point about Ferguson or Ohio Wal-Mart events to some point.  But shooting a 12 year old in a park i cant understand.  :sad:
 
Suspicious Pilgrim 说:
This has been flying under the radar completely

Ronald Ritchie, the man who called 911 and told a dispatcher that there “was a gentleman walking around with a gun in the store,”
that “he’s like pointing it at people” and the man appeared to loading what looked like a rifle and “waving it back and forth.”

What a ****. That description killed a man.

Madhal 说:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850234/Video-released-showing-police-shooting-Tamir-Rice-12-carrying-BB-gun.html

Sad events. i can understand to some point about Ferguson or Ohio Wal-Mart events to some point.  But shooting a 12 year old in a park i cant understand.  :sad:

Watch the video, maybe you'll understand, maybe the kid's parents should have told him not to go to the park and point a replica bb gun around with his face covered.
Because the framerate is about three frames in a minute you can't get a clear picture of what happened, but it basically looks like they just drove next to him and shot him.
 
I'm gonna copy something I posted on facebook because I'm lazy.

With all the violence currently taking place in Ferguson, I thought I'd take a moment to address something that's been bothering me about this case and the dozens of others before it. The decision of the grand jury has angered many people, and while I certainly can't support the disturbing increase in police violence/brutality, the current trend of automatically assuming every black man killed by the police was a martyr and every white cop a tyrannical oppressor furthers the racist culture that permeates America. There is a race issue in America, and anyone who labels another because of their skin color, be they Black, White, Asian, or any other ethnicity, perpetuates that issue. I'm not going to divulge my opinion on the Grand Jury's decision, but when you automatically assume someone was guilty or innocent on sole account of their race, rather than the 24 volumes of court testimony and hundreds of other pieces of evidence publicly available on the internet, you exacerbate the racism that permeates our culture. Read the evidence and formulate a real opinion; don't just listen to media sensationalism and haughty internet activists trying to be "edgy". For those curious, evidence is available here: http://nyti.ms/11XaOnb
 
DoctorPainkiller 说:
I'm gonna copy something I posted on facebook because I'm lazy.

With all the violence currently taking place in Ferguson, I thought I'd take a moment to address something that's been bothering me about this case and the dozens of others before it. The decision of the grand jury has angered many people, and while I certainly can't support the disturbing increase in police violence/brutality, the current trend of automatically assuming every black man killed by the police was a martyr and every white cop a tyrannical oppressor furthers the racist culture that permeates America. There is a race issue in America, and anyone who labels another because of their skin color, be they Black, White, Asian, or any other ethnicity, perpetuates that issue. I'm not going to divulge my opinion on the Grand Jury's decision, but when you automatically assume someone was guilty or innocent on sole account of their race, rather than the 24 volumes of court testimony and hundreds of other pieces of evidence publicly available on the internet, you exacerbate the racism that permeates our culture. Read the evidence and formulate a real opinion; don't just listen to media sensationalism and haughty internet activists trying to be "edgy". For those curious, evidence is available here: http://nyti.ms/11XaOnb

"Every famous nigga that gets arrested is not Nelson Mandela."

One of the best Boondocks episodes.

Madhal 说:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2850234/Video-released-showing-police-shooting-Tamir-Rice-12-carrying-BB-gun.html

Sad events. i can understand to some point about Ferguson or Ohio Wal-Mart events to some point.  But shooting a 12 year old in a park i cant understand.  :sad:

The neighborhood is a flash-point area between two local gangs that recruit kids that haven't even gotten into middle school yet.
 
Absolutely can't understand why this is a race issue. The guy attacked the cop after robbing a store. This has nothing to do with race, it's to do with the lethal response after the target was no longer a threat to the cop. Police brutality, not racism.

Then you get all the city trash coming in and using these riots as a cover to loot and pillage... and worse... the cops/national guard don't even try to stop them. It doesn't take a genius to see that the protests aren't violent, rather the idiots who don't give a second **** about Brown or Wilson and just want to make a quick buck selling stolen ****. Authorities need to step up action against the obvious trash, otherwise the protest is going to be remembered as the day that dumbasses burned down Krispy Kreme for lulz. Not to mention the bumbling tools on Tumblr fanning the flames and pretending like Wilson was out to go kill black people in the streets.

The protesters also need to stand up against the violence. But god knows they won't do that, they might offend the nearest dip****.

God this whole ordeal is infuriating. I can't even type proper English.
 
Splintert 说:
Absolutely can't understand why this is a race issue. The guy attacked the cop after robbing a store. This has nothing to do with race, it's to do with the lethal response after the target was no longer a threat to the cop. Police brutality, not racism.

Then you get all the city trash coming in and using these riots as a cover to loot and pillage... and worse... the cops/national guard don't even try to stop them. It doesn't take a genius to see that the protests aren't violent, rather the idiots who don't give a second **** about Brown or Wilson and just want to make a quick buck selling stolen ****. Authorities need to step up action against the obvious trash, otherwise the protest is going to be remembered as the day that dumbasses burned down Krispy Kreme for lulz. Not to mention the bumbling tools on Tumblr fanning the flames and pretending like Wilson was out to go kill black people in the streets.

The protesters also need to stand up against the violence. But god knows they won't do that, they might offend the nearest dip****.

God this whole ordeal is infuriating. I can't even type proper English.
The US goverment pointing fingers are twitching since the last time Boston shooting happened. They want it again, because they liked it.
 
Yeah, random street juries must be one of the worst parts of the legal system right now, although I'm too ignorant to know of effective alternatives.

Also, these stupid protesters. People blocking highways all over the place, even here in Seattle. It's causing major problems and, frankly, I hope one of these people do get smeared by a negligent speeder.
 
kurczak 说:
It be a good idea for the US to get rid of the legal fossils like (lay) juries...

Because professional juries would be smart enough to always crucify a cop if he ever detains, arrests or shoots a black man or has the audacity to pull a black man over who has expired license stickers on his car? I'm not a big defender of the jury system but they didn't get a wrong decision this time.
 
Yeah, I have no opinion on the verdict itself. Didn't read the evidence and am not going to because I don't care enough.

There are two levels to this: 

The general idea that law is something every Joe understands and is capable of delivering justice is just stupid. You don't grab random people on the streets to form a medical consilium to decide what to do about your cancer and you should not do the same with law. Sure, some cases can be "easy", such as murders, admittedly. The subject matter is something a layman is familiar with (dude is dead, has a bullet in the head), there isn't much legal work to do and it's all about evidence which usually comes from the forensics people anyway and a professional judge is not required and not likely anyway to have any advantage in these fields over a lay person. But that is not an argument for lay judges. They just don't lose on this one. Then there is for example white collar crime where you actually need to know the fairly complicated law - corporate, obligations, trusts etc and the judge has to hand-walk the jury to the decision anyway explaining to them what means what and what constitutes what. Then there are civil cases where having a jury is just completely ****ed up and totally unnecessary.

Second, a professional judge is less likely to be impressed by, well, emotions, sympathies and antipathies towards the parties.

Regarding corruption, it's not true that bribing six, twelve or however much people than bribing one. Well, sure it is, but a) you don't need to bribe (or again, even **** with their head with your parlor rhetorics tricks and appeals to emotions) all of them, you just need one or sometimes two to get a hung jury, which obviously is not as good as acquittal, but it can be worked with. And b) no one says the only alternative is a single professional judge. It is not that novel an idea to have a panel of three or five professional judges. Or at least a combination of professional judges and lay persons.

Combine with the equally as outdated US tort law and cue in the ridiculous decisions where a guy falls into a clearly visible pit or microwaves his kid or whatever and is awarded a bazzilion dollars in damages because the sign/manual wasn't specific about it and the general lawsuit culture you have over there when even clearly bizzare cases get settled out of court for absurd money because it's better than risking a random emotional decision from the jury.

There would be no other reason to bring that up.

The reason to bring it up was there would be less (grounds for) drama and accusations of racism or reverse racism etc if the decision was made by professionals and not by random Missouri rednecks. The system as it is now is just asking for it. Then I sort of drifted away, hehe.
 
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