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No, that doesn't make any sense.
You mean my swastika metaphor? No, it has nothing to do with feminism being related to nazism. It was just to show how something's meaning can change for the worse in the perception of the public if it is abused enough. But nice attempt at using your brain, here's another treat. You'll get more if you start using punctuation.It all goes back to relating it to nazism isnt it
I'm not so sure about that. I'm not quite certain that you're capable of expressing any emotion aside from contempt, and you definitely don't have a solid track record for having an open mind, nor patience, about things you don't understand. In retrospect, your post was pretty obvious bait that I shouldn't have replied to, but here we are.You could say the same, but you would be wrong.
No, your first post proves that you really don't.But I do know what privilege *is*
I would agree, based on your first post I don't believe you to have a healthy mindset regarding women. You've played this up in your mind to be some sort of boogeyman that doesn't exist in the real world, and you've spent too much time on places like 4chan and the bad parts of reddit. When you lash out in massive entitled temper-tantrums about how you totally don't hate women but your post really says that you hate women, or at least, the idea of women that you've created in your mind, don't be surprised when you don't have people lining up to nicely explain all of the things you're missing. Moreover, you're conflating the expectations the male gender has for itself with the expectations feminism has of men - there is a reason why toxic masculinity is discussed, and it is specifically about a situation you described in your first post, where men of certain personalities are considered inferior. Fun fact: It is not feminism that considers this to be true. My advice? Therapy.It’s something I truly can’t understand and it’s to the point where I honestly don’t believe I could ever be a good boyfriend or husband
More therapy. If it weren't for this line I would say that you sound like a stereotypical incel, if I'm honest. Maybe even with this line. Either way: Therapy.and no longer even know how to initiate a relationship because I don’t want to mix romance and sex with any relationship.
And let me guess, you think that your massive temper tantrum was the perfect example of an attitude of cooperation and reconciliation, right?My point is that at some point in time, in order for gender equality to persist in the least damaging fashion, an adversarial attitude needs to be replaced with one of cooperation and that is absolutely undeniable.
It isn't, no, but you're not raising awareness for men's issues, you're railing against women on a videogame forum.wanting to raise awareness for men’s issues is perceived as some sort of nascent incel state terrorist bull****.
What does this even mean? What about feminism to you suggests that it's against a 'stable household'? What is a 'stable household'?If feminists can’t acknowledge that and pivot to ensure women as well as men understand that raising a family takes a stable household then the movement is doomed.
Toxic femininity exists, it's known and acknowledged. However, when you have two houses, and one house is on fire, which house should be prioritized by the firetruck? Toxic masculinity hurts both men as well as women, however - as a male-dominated society (omegalul if you think that women getting the vote magically makes them equal or something, btw), toxic masculinity is in a position to hurt far more people than toxic femininity, and in much greater ways. Yes, men can experience sexism, as any individual can experience any sort of discrimination, but the point you're missing here is the idea of SYSTEMIC discrimination. Which men don't face in a male-dominated society.Women need fathers too for ****s sake. If there was a worldwide movement focusing solely on toxic femininity and ignoring toxic masculinity I would be livid too. The whole idea is difficult for me to wrap my tiny brain around because if we’re pursuing gender equality shouldn’t it just be toxicity? Am I wrong?
Out of curiosity, how many groups built around spreading awareness and educating issues handled by the concept feminism are you a member of - be it in your local community, or just at work? And how many lectures have you watched from your local community college or university on the subject. And beyond that, how deeply have you delved into the voluminous literature available on the subject?Sometimes I do let out more personal feelings than I should. I don’t mean to lash out but I’m not railing against women, I’m criticizing a movement and talking about my experiences.
And yet the movement has been very successful. The fact people discuss it to any degree on a daily basis demonstrates it's success, no matter how uneducated some parties choose to make themselves on the topic. Policy makers all over the west, both corporate and political, push through and maintain policies all the time (despite attempts for reactionaries to push back said efforts).Sadly, I believe if feminism had a different name, the movement would’ve been far more successful by now. Making that simple point has for sure attracted a ton of hostility as if I personally were the mentally damaged enemy stopping equality from being a reality and in need of psychological help. But I’m just a person trying my best to do good. How couldn’t I feel frustrated or cynical?
Yes, I am aware that you are **** at reading people other than yourself. You method is practically painting your own flaws on others and attacking them by that without, yes, an open mind and patience. And I don't do baiting; I'm capable of getting convinved that I'm wrong, and it happened a lot before. But you'd need to present proper arguments for that, which you don't do. You only attack the person without any understanding of 'em. Yes, I use personal attacks in my posts too, which I learned here on this very forum along the years. But I try to add actual substance to my arguments. I know I have a certain posting style wwhich makes said arguments get misunderstood or fly over some people's heads, but the attempt to to add substance is there, I promise. Contrary to that, this post of yours only have misinformation about me and calling my argument a bait. That's not real substance.I'm not so sure about that. I'm not quite certain that you're capable of expressing any emotion aside from contempt, and you definitely don't have a solid track record for having an open mind, nor patience, about things you don't understand. In retrospect, your post was pretty obvious bait that I shouldn't have replied to, but here we are.
I’m not a member of any group. In my local community, I used to describe myself as a little blue man in a sea of red, but even that wouldn’t be an accurate description anymore. My knowledge on gender relations and feminism comes largely from being educated in my art and sociology classes, NPR, ted, and watching how women and men interact with each other, as well as my personal experiences with family, friends, and strangers. The materials linked on the sidebar of r/feminism take up a large part of my knowledge base, I couldn’t remember any names off the top of my head but I did put in my due diligence in good faith, since my sociology class didn’t go very much further than saying feminism is for equality for all genders. I don’t agree with the red pilled smv concepts but I’m very afraid that they have quite a bit of truth behind them. I think blue pill is a meme and I don’t like either community. MRA is an actual dirty word. Because of my nature, and personal experience, I’ve delved a bit deeper into reading feminist literature than I really had any business.Out of curiosity, how many groups built around spreading awareness and educating issues handled by the concept feminism are you a member of - be it in your local community, or just at work? And how many lectures have you watched from your local community college or university on the subject. And beyond that, how deeply have you delved into the voluminous literature available on the subject?
Sure. It has been successful. Perhaps it could’ve been more successful. Can I dare to dream? I wonder how much of that is just lip service to win votes instead of true equality? Our society is going to have a huge problem learning how to teach women and men that fathers are important after the massive movement of teaching women they need to be afraid of and protected from men and putting them on the pedestal because they can bear children to undo the massive harm from the whole males asserting that their genes get passed forward through subjugation of the female womb paradigm that ****ed our **** up for a couple hundred decades. It reminds me more of a whack-a-mole solution to a problem than something that is truly thoughtful because now we actually do need to do damage control for the boys and I’m fairly certain there’s quite a bit of men and women who are nearing end of life feeling lonely, unhappy, maybe bitter, and I’m positive it’s going to get even worse as the millennials and gen z gets close to calling it quits unless some massive changes come to light. I’m not advocating for a single second to take anything away from women. Maybe for humanity as a whole this pendulum process is just how things must be but that means very little to the people left holding the bag.And yet the movement has been very successful. The fact people discuss it to any degree on a daily basis demonstrates it's success, no matter how uneducated some parties choose to make themselves on the topic. Policy makers all over the west, both corporate and political, push through and maintain policies all the time (despite attempts for reactionaries to push back said efforts).
Please don't take Evelyn's "advice".So I don’t know, am I an edgy, incel reactionary trying to live out a male dominated fantasy spewing filth to undo the progress of feminism because of my hatred of women and my little pp cowardliness is afraid of giving up a teensy bit of power? I personally don’t think so. More power to the sperm banks I say. It does disturb me to be accused of such things though because that is someone who I never was nor ever will be.
The point of therapy is that it allows a person to figure out what help it is that they need. If your issues are to the point where you feel like you wouldn't be a good husband or boyfriend or anything, that is definitely something that you should see a professional for, to work that out and hopefully resolve that. Believe it or not, seeing a therapist is not a bad thing, or an insult. Suggesting that a person might benefit from seeing a doctor is not an insult. But, of course, your usual one-dimensional thinking has typecasted my reply already without paying attention to what it is I actually said. No, you inferred malice that did not exist, and are using it to try to further a baseless personal attack on me."My advice: Therapy." is a really arrogant and insensitive thing to say, without any regard to what assistance should the actual person need. It really shows your stance on things: "if you don't think and behave like me, you need a doctor." Don't do that, it makes you look like a horrible person.
Your hostile tone and your high horse made it clear from the beginning that you mean "My advice: Therapy" as "You are an idiot". It's pretty obvious, but nice attempt at sugarcoating it. The malice or hostility doesn't disappear just because you claim after that there wasn't any.Suggesting that a person might benefit from seeing a doctor is not an insult.
I absolutly agree and after reading the last couple of pages on this thread, I think that's one of major difficulties of this discussion.groups have been actively working to make "feminist" a dirty word
I'm not just an internet persona complaining that women want to be treated equally...Women habe been on the short end of things for the last centuries.
I think it's bad taste to complain that they want to be treated more equally now.