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Females of Bannerlord
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It has been confirmed that there are neither male nor female characters in Bannerlord. All B-Lord characters reproduce by binary fission.
I agree. Women were a political invention of the 1980s. I don't want any of them in my turkish video game.
There weren't any significant number of women involved in military affairs throughout any point in history, very few and extremely rare exceptions exist but they are the exceptions that prove the rule. Men and women evolved to fulfill different roles, primarily in order to facilitate safe reproduction, and in that context women being involved in military matters would only ever be a matter of extreme exception and true desperation.
People mocking the people asking for no female inclusion are behaving very immaturely, mostly because these would be the very same people screaming about realism in the game, but as soon as the topic turns into a topic of gender roles, they beat their chests about how it's up to the developers indeed how and what they want in their game (which is of course 100% true), but also kind of hypocritical.
At the end of the day Taleworlds has shown a mature commitment towards a realistic depiction of a fictional world inspired by our real world history. I personally haven't heard anything about female noble or military leaders to be included in the game except for one of the Imperial faction leaders, but were they to be included in the game there'd be perhaps one or two, perhaps slightly more, but that would be within the realm of reality.
Hear, hear!
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Just because there were no women involved in the military during a big part of history (not all of it by the way) does not mean you have to completely exclude any commander in the game that does not have a penis.
Also you are completely wrong saying people change their opinion when its about gender. I'm far from a "realism" fan and it does not matter what type of sex you are, as long as they end up being a well written character why would you care?
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Why are you are accusing me of "being too into my little medieval world" and saying that I "have to realize that it's a game and not real life", and that I should "go outside for a change" and "see how the world looks like"? Why are you presuming that this is a big issue for me or that I have ever before these two posts been involved in these discussions?
The fact that you do not usually put forth the realism argument doesn't mean that most people who are mocking the OP don't either.
Neither have I ever said that just because there weren't any significant amount of women being involved in military matters throughout history, that there shouldn't be any women acting as military commanders in the game. This is not even an argument I have made. I simply made a post stating some historical facts, amongst other things, including defending Taleworlds creative freedom and right with their own game to do with as they wish.
You are attributing stuff to my post which I haven't ever written. I don't know what you're up to but you're either replying to the wrong person, or you're for some reason reacting extremely emotionally and not fully in control of yourself right now.
The fact that you do not usually put forth the realism argument doesn't mean that most people who are mocking the OP don't either.
Neither have I ever said that just because there weren't any significant amount of women being involved in military matters throughout history, that there shouldn't be any women acting as military commanders in the game. This is not even an argument I have made. I simply made a post stating some historical facts, amongst other things, including defending Taleworlds creative freedom and right with their own game to do with as they wish.
You are attributing stuff to my post which I haven't ever written. I don't know what you're up to but you're either replying to the wrong person, or you're for some reason reacting extremely emotionally and not fully in control of yourself right now.
I'm not addressing you personally in my reply in the first part and last part (snip). I'm addressing other people with that kind of mindset.
Me responding to you was not meant as an offense to your reply in the first part, only the last part of my reply where i say "you" is targeted at you.
Guess i should have worded it better
Me responding to you was not meant as an offense to your reply in the first part, only the last part of my reply where i say "you" is targeted at you.
Guess i should have worded it better
I think the game is perfectly set up to potentially make everybody happy when it comes to any of the concerns regarding women and their role in the game's society.
There exists a law system that should be able to perfectly handle all sorts of possibilities.
The entire empire that broke into three distinct factions is itself related to disputed inheritance. It can literally be presented in raw gameplay terms. In the Southern Empire, women should be able to lead and to inherit. But then perhaps in the North and the West they cannot.
Same with perhaps Battania allowing and Vlandia disallowing, for example.
And if it ties in with the other system of laws then you've complete modularity. A female player character can maybe gain enough influence to **** with the laws restricting women and use that to manipulate herself into a position of power where she originally wouldn't be allowed to. Or alternatively if one feels so inclined they can perhaps boot women out of power in the Southern Empire. If a player only has daughters instead of sons then that's a compelling reason to endeavor to change laws in your heir's favor. Or that could be too hard so maybe you desperately want a son instead.
If the kingdom laws system doesn't end up including this sort of stuff I very much hope that mods are able to step up to the challenge.
It makes the world feel more interesting and diverse and most importantly, malleable in the player's hands. And I think it best represents the one universal historical truth on the subject. As with all history, there were exceptions and there were exceptions for reasons.
Regardless of whether a woman was allowed to lead or not, some did end up leading. This was sometimes positive and sometimes negative. Sometimes they had to fight cultural prejudice and sometimes they didn't. For all of these options to have the possibility to naturally occur within the game would really be a great addition.
There exists a law system that should be able to perfectly handle all sorts of possibilities.
The entire empire that broke into three distinct factions is itself related to disputed inheritance. It can literally be presented in raw gameplay terms. In the Southern Empire, women should be able to lead and to inherit. But then perhaps in the North and the West they cannot.
Same with perhaps Battania allowing and Vlandia disallowing, for example.
And if it ties in with the other system of laws then you've complete modularity. A female player character can maybe gain enough influence to **** with the laws restricting women and use that to manipulate herself into a position of power where she originally wouldn't be allowed to. Or alternatively if one feels so inclined they can perhaps boot women out of power in the Southern Empire. If a player only has daughters instead of sons then that's a compelling reason to endeavor to change laws in your heir's favor. Or that could be too hard so maybe you desperately want a son instead.
If the kingdom laws system doesn't end up including this sort of stuff I very much hope that mods are able to step up to the challenge.
It makes the world feel more interesting and diverse and most importantly, malleable in the player's hands. And I think it best represents the one universal historical truth on the subject. As with all history, there were exceptions and there were exceptions for reasons.
Regardless of whether a woman was allowed to lead or not, some did end up leading. This was sometimes positive and sometimes negative. Sometimes they had to fight cultural prejudice and sometimes they didn't. For all of these options to have the possibility to naturally occur within the game would really be a great addition.
I don't even see how this has to do with politics or PC culture.
There were some female commanders in history. It's a game. Some players appreciate that the game isn't a sausage fest. There is a limited amount of NPCs in the game at any time and they sorely need to have some identity that helps the player remember them. The player might like the option to marry a powerful lord without having to play as a woman or gay man themselves, which with Bannerlord suddenly is on the table for male player characters. Women are sometimes the sole heir in cultures where women don't typically command military powers. Women are sometimes the eldest or smartest sibling and become a natural choice for an heir.
I'm not saying that it wouldn't be an interesting game if it had all the social gender differences we typically associate the early medieval era with, I think it could be cool if they took that from Warband and expanded on it a great deal. I'm just saying that having some women leaders brings in variety and I bet that it's easier to do it this way than it is to create a separate experience for female player characters. Why should the player get to play as a woman commander while none of the AI lords can?
And that having a small gesture of representation isn't a bad thing at all. It's not even a 50/50 split, which I would agree would be taking it too far in consideration of implied historicity.
There were some female commanders in history. It's a game. Some players appreciate that the game isn't a sausage fest. There is a limited amount of NPCs in the game at any time and they sorely need to have some identity that helps the player remember them. The player might like the option to marry a powerful lord without having to play as a woman or gay man themselves, which with Bannerlord suddenly is on the table for male player characters. Women are sometimes the sole heir in cultures where women don't typically command military powers. Women are sometimes the eldest or smartest sibling and become a natural choice for an heir.
I'm not saying that it wouldn't be an interesting game if it had all the social gender differences we typically associate the early medieval era with, I think it could be cool if they took that from Warband and expanded on it a great deal. I'm just saying that having some women leaders brings in variety and I bet that it's easier to do it this way than it is to create a separate experience for female player characters. Why should the player get to play as a woman commander while none of the AI lords can?
And that having a small gesture of representation isn't a bad thing at all. It's not even a 50/50 split, which I would agree would be taking it too far in consideration of implied historicity.
This.... Everything above. Thank you for saving me typing something similar (though I wouldn't have said it so well!)
How... What... how do women interrupt your entertainment? Honestly this is baffling...
And people wonder why few women are inclined to play video games...
I also really hope that the things excluding women are part of the faction law system so that the player can change things (to make it more or less stricter). I mean, the value in the code that says factions treat lords differently internally has to be stored somewhere, so I hope it is exposed in the GUI somewhere and not some "hardcoded" value that sets each faction's behavior in stone.
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There were plenty of it back in the Egyptian, Greek and Roman empires, it was quite normal until Christianity came along, there is no Christianity in Calradia, therefor it would be quite normal for it to be there. Even in Christian Europe it happened, but i happed in secret ceremonies away from the eyes of the church. So it could easily be places in a game like Bannerlord and not hurt the so called "realism" of a fantasy game.
How dare you insinuate a European inspired fantasy land can exist without having a pseudo-Christianity as its main religion which forbids everything that was forbidden in our real world one for one. JKs
This, you hit it on the head.
People can't seem to allow divergence in fantasy. Pagan women, for the most part, while not entirely equal to men across many countries did have more liberties than they would later have under Christian ideals. For example Aud the Deep-Minded who laid claim to the Dalasýsla region in Iceland.
A vast amount of this later being held by Guðrún, another Norse pagan woman.
And all this stink about Christianities strict grip on Europe, despite Christianity being of Middle Eastern origin and having many different forms in the C. 500-1000AD era, every new nation which converted had their own version of the faith for example Celtic Christianity.
Also Christianity essentially pulled aspects from every other religion that existed at the time it was founded and enticed the Pagan religious groups in to conversion using such things as Saints (St. Brigid instead of the Goddess Brig for Ireland for example, allowing converts to keep their Gods in a way that pleased both parties). It's not too hard to imagine a fantasy religion not repressing certain sexes or sexuality or religion not playing such a governing role in Calradia, especially if early Christianity could allow Pagan beliefs and traditions to survive.
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It Is strange having many female commanders without female troops. With the clan system a widow can replaced the deceased husband so female commanders can be quite common.
To decrease It Ai should target female clan members for administration work in cities and castles like when you give those to your companions in warband.
They have confirmed there will be several female troops.
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