SP Native Female armor minimod - release v0.8 for M&B 0.751

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It will be fine if we have naked models for base of armors or dresses works in mods of course in all 4 colors because white body with black head is too unrealistic even for me. So I support you work 100%. Go on!!!

Yeah that's one thing I can't figure out how to fix. The skin textures are automatically tanned based on the default white skin, and even though I put the armor material on 'skin shader' the armor wont tan.  :sad:

Ne one knows how to fix it it'll be good but I'm out of ideas.
 
Subotai 说:
It will be fine if we have naked models for base of armors or dresses works in mods of course in all 4 colors because white body with black head is too unrealistic even for me. So I support you work 100%. Go on!!!

Yeah that's one thing I can't figure out how to fix. The skin textures are automatically tanned based on the default white skin, and even though I put the armor material on 'skin shader' the armor wont tan.  :sad:

Ne one knows how to fix it it'll be good but I'm out of ideas.

Sorry, this is impossible to fix. The tan colour is only for the no-armor skins and its definable by module, not mesh.
 
Wow that was quick...

Oh damn :sad:

*wonders whether to put a modding suggestion in privy council or not*
 
Well I believe that there is a solution. First of all we must make a four version of each armor. We must capture skinny part and change it color compare to sample of head skin. A little work, but there is not so much to do, when you determinate key or histogram to change original one. The key will be useful then for all armors. But the second part is rather programming part in python scripts. The program will determinate from head code color of skin and compare to this variable will chose version of the selected armor. You will need just one mash to combine with four mostly similar pictures i.e. dds. Well four if sentence but I'm afraid that they must be put in main program. But maybe not. You must ask Winter. He will know. A minor solution are 4 models and you pick up right one to dress yourself or your hero, But it will not works with peoples who are not into your party. There you will need programming.
We must ask some one from gladiator mod, but maybe they use only white skins

nema
 
nema 说:
We must ask some one from gladiator mod, but maybe they use only white skins
because it's impossable to make the game select the right armor, believe me, if yoshi tells you it is not possable, it is not possable.
 
well in that case there is only minor solution by hand choosing. I don't know about Winters idea for scripting. He will tell;

"If you make some more realistic female armours, I'll code you a script that'll automatically replace male armours with female ones and vice-versa when worn by a non-compatible player, with item modifiers intact.

Heck, if you set a slot for gender on all the troops at the start of the game, I could make a script that'll work for all the troops.

Vicariously,
Winter"

So if we have slot for skin colour...
 
nema 说:
well in that case there is only minor solution by hand choosing. I don't know about Winters idea for scripting. He will tell;

"If you make some more realistic female armours, I'll code you a script that'll automatically replace male armours with female ones and vice-versa when worn by a non-compatible player, with item modifiers intact.

Heck, if you set a slot for gender on all the troops at the start of the game, I could make a script that'll work for all the troops.

Vicariously,
Winter"

So if we have slot for skin colour...

Thats because you can tell the difference between a male and female in game but not skin colour.
 
Yoshiboy 说:
Thats because you can tell the difference between a male and female in game but not skin colour.

Listen to Yoshi. He is wise.

Commensally,
Winter
 
well, you could make a different "gender" for each skin tone if you really wanted it. if what winter said can be done, (not that i doubt his skills) a huge amount of possibilities open up for modders.
 
I can tell a female in any kind of armour. My wife can spot me in any suit of armour out of a crowd of armoured people.

You want female armour?

Try this.

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=67661
 
brasidus 说:
I can tell a female in any kind of armour. My wife can spot me in any suit of armour out of a crowd of armoured people.

You want female armour?

Try this.

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=67661

Forget the armor, give me the girl.
 
Both for me :wink:

And train her in strip-tease too!  :grin:

EDIT: I seem to be hijacking my own thread :\

Ne ways back topic - Winter - can it be done? Is it possible? Or is it as Yoshi says, and we shall have to ask for a suggestion at the privy council.
 
Oh boys shame your self. I would like to kick your asses for such words. Maybe in net version of the game

O.k. boys.
There are some very easy solutions.

First about gender. There is no need to have a slot for gender. Why? If you take for example troops.txt. There you can see who is who. And if not there you can see in piton scripts or at last in the game. Take for example this one

trp_marnid Marnid Marnid 17 262164 0 1
  289 0 78 0 287 0 65 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0
  100 100 4 4 0
74 61 71 65 74 75 0
33554435 2097152 0
  811011 126752808847651474 0 0

Well you can all see that she is a girl and use your open black armor. So for the hero there is no problem. You know hero's gender and color. If you choose different color for skin, then give her different variation of armor. But now take this one.

trp_sword_sister Sword_Sister Sword_Sisters 28312577 0 0 1
  58 0 274 0 287 0 201 0 202 0 236 0 289 0 -1 0 -1 0 65 0 78 0 -1 0 -1 0 49 0 50 0 275 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0
  25 25 4 4 22
156 152 162 145 159 144 0
33554706 592445440 131072
  2 126206343895056384 798724 126206343895056384

As we see, she is also a girl. But you never know witch color she will take. But this is not so big problem. You can do this:

trp_sword_sister_w Sword_Sister_w Sword_Sisters_w 28312577 0 0 1
  58 0 274 0 287 0 201 0 202 0 236 0 289 0 -1 0 -1 0 65 0 78 0 -1 0 -1 0 49 0 50 0 275 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0
  25 25 4 4 22
156 152 162 145 159 144 0
33554706 592445440 131072
  811011 126752808847651474 0 0

Now we get white sword sister with short black hair and so on.

But there can be problem in arena fights.
So if you have 4 teams of white women fighters or what ever, there is not any problem (and 4 armors of course)I enjoy much in arena fights with girls in your armors, But I missing another open one.
But I believe that there is better solution, but not today.

And now… Take helmets for example. What you can see. Well of course. It's ugly to loose your hair if you must wear helmet. So I never use it. Well girls put something on their beauty so they – sword sisters for example - do not wear it always. But if, there is a colored skinny head under it (without hair of course, beh). Why? The helmets are real. And armors? They are not. You only change your body with armor and you loose your body. But if there is possibility to attach helmets on heads we can maybe win if we have armors made on such way as helmets. Well of course there is a lot modeling and you will need someone. It's a final solution but you need some time to do it.

And also. We have many beauty armors in game, but pure body is more than under cloths or armor quality. It need a triangle or two more. I believe that game makers are not foresee fight without armors, but satisfied customer is more than just good advertising.

nema
 
Subotai 说:
Ne ways back topic - Winter - can it be done? Is it possible? Or is it as Yoshi says, and we shall have to ask for a suggestion at the privy council.

If the tan is applied automatically, there's no way to mess with that. You can, however, (for example) split black and white into different skins and bodymeshes, and paint or texture the black bodymeshes dark.

Native runs a global variable to keep track of the player's gender, so if you keep all the gender-based armour in two distinct blocks in module_items.py, it would be easy to run a replacement trigger for it. I can just apply the Craftmod modifier-getting code to keep the item modifiers straight.

Or maybe just a trigger that removes gender-inappropriate armour and tells you to go retailor/resmith it?

Fraternally,
Winter
 
Hmmm, if you can find a way to make the game use different armor models by scripting I'll happily tan up the ladies.
 
The way I'm planning for Band of Warriors is to have a "shadow" troop for each hero who holds on to all the junk that should not be equipped by the hero. Just before launching the trade screen, I copy all the stuff from the shadow troop back into the main hero. Right after the trade screen, I filter out all the stuff they're not supposed to equip and dump it into the shadow troop. Basically designed this system for battle orders e.g. "don't use ranged weapons / use only blunts / use only polearms " etc. But it works without modification for preventing certain troops from using certain items, i.e male heroes from putting on a dress.

Subotai, why is this mod only for 0.751? Did the skeleton change in v0.8+?
 
fisheye 说:
The way I'm planning for Band of Warriors is to have a "shadow" troop for each hero who holds on to all the junk that should not be equipped by the hero. Just before launching the trade screen, I copy all the stuff from the shadow troop back into the main hero. Right after the trade screen, I filter out all the stuff they're not supposed to equip and dump it into the shadow troop. Basically designed this system for battle orders e.g. "don't use ranged weapons / use only blunts / use only polearms " etc. But it works without modification for preventing certain troops from using certain items, i.e male heroes from putting on a dress.

Subotai, why is this mod only for 0.751? Did the skeleton change in v0.8+?

It doesn't work "as is" but the armor work well, I got it working in .808

I plan to add it to my modified version of BandOfWarrior

(hint: only names and sex have been changed ! ogh and the dialogs a little bit for ambiance, as well as starting heroes items (more ladylike)

I believe the subotai meshes can be worked in a wide variety. too bad I'm still puzzled by M&B art format

maybe I'll have time latter

It only work for whitish ladies of course (for the armoor showing skin)

of course lots of M&B cool armor would need new meshes to look adequate. like the kherjit armor. they can't be done with texture work on subotai armor. but the darkmod did some creative retextuing of the robe into feminine armor. so lots of female armor could be done from that and subotai work.

sword sisters expanded ?

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here is the scoop of how I did it the retrofit of subotai mod
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I retrofited subotai mod for .808

No problems at all

His version doesn't work because the file organisation changed. Also the sales item tags may have changed but since you use the module system (not hacking like me !) you should have no problems

What I did is this:

made a copy of native
copied relevant content from
-resouce folder (as is)
-texture folder (as is)
-item_kinds1.txt (the subotai items only, changed count +6 at top
(ids are 271 to 276)
-modified module.ini
(added line load_module_resource = sbtai_plate from the old module info in the right spot)
-modified troops.txt (changed zendar chest as follow)
trp_zendar_chest Zendar_Chest Zendar_Chest 48 0 0 9
  271 0 272 0 273 0 274 0 275 0 276 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0 -1 0
  5 5 4 4 18
63 66 75 64 66 74 0
33554706 1048576 0
  0 0 0 0

then I started a game with a lady and tried out the armors !
 
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