Fate and Free Will?
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Then you can feel free to believe that you have a fate, and I can feel free to believe that I have a future, and we're both happy.
PurplePuppy
Sergeant
This ultimately belongs in the "Are you Religious?" thread.
Fate is one of those made up things that, like PL said, assholes use to rationalize their negative decisions (free will).
All the blahblahblah about free will not actually being free will because of outside variables-> Quit taking ideas from your rectum. Put those back. Those don't belong here.
Fox news might tell you otherwise but.--
We have free will. It can be our decision to react to an outside variable or not to.
If you tell me to eat a piece of bread, and I refuse, then there.
But if you hit me, and then tell me to eat the piece of bread, it's my decision to rethink the offer.
I would be considering the option (using my free will) of saying no, and getting hit again, because chances are if you'll hit me once, you would probably do it again.
I'm glad there's laws. I'm sure some places don't have protection from the bread-eaters.
I notice a lack of the usual assholes in this thread.
Must be too brain-consuming.
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Fate is one of those made up things that, like PL said, assholes use to rationalize their negative decisions (free will).
All the blahblahblah about free will not actually being free will because of outside variables-> Quit taking ideas from your rectum. Put those back. Those don't belong here.
Fox news might tell you otherwise but.--
We have free will. It can be our decision to react to an outside variable or not to.
If you tell me to eat a piece of bread, and I refuse, then there.
But if you hit me, and then tell me to eat the piece of bread, it's my decision to rethink the offer.
I would be considering the option (using my free will) of saying no, and getting hit again, because chances are if you'll hit me once, you would probably do it again.
I'm glad there's laws. I'm sure some places don't have protection from the bread-eaters.
I notice a lack of the usual assholes in this thread.
Must be too brain-consuming.
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I bet you like Jesus, huh?scootar 说:
scootar
Squire
@Llandy- Fate and free will have no meaning in my mind. I think if I can't change it there's no point in the question, making it unnecessary weight.
Trend lightly and live freely.
@purp- The idea of fate comes from the greek religion. Secondly ask your self if your whole life and the lives that made it were set up, just so you could deny my piece of bread.
Trend lightly and live freely.
@purp- The idea of fate comes from the greek religion. Secondly ask your self if your whole life and the lives that made it were set up, just so you could deny my piece of bread.
I think keeping this separate from the religion thread is a good idea. After all, atheists can believe in fate but not god, and christians can believe in god but not fate.
PurplePuppy
Sergeant
But do the believe in that idea... Religiously? 
Pharaoh Llandy 说:
Yes, if it does exist this is true, but it is also irrelevant. As beings who only consciously exist in the present, the inevitability of the future is unimportant. We will still make the choices in our life willingly, and therefore if fate does or doesn't exist, we will still reach the same point by the end of our lives.
Some people used that argument to say that Judas was not responsible for Jesus' death, since he was only an actor in God's plan. In short, he was always going to betray Jesus, and thus was not guilty.
The problem with that argument is that it again links fate and free will. They are entirely separate concepts. Judas made his decisions, and would have made them whether God intended him to or not, thus he is guilty.
I understand what you're saying, however, and I agree. People too often say things were meant to happen, and use it as a way of shirking responsibility.
Humans prefer to blame exterior forces for their problems, because it lifts the responsibility to change things from their shoulders.
PurplePuppy
Sergeant
This lecture should sum up any remaining questions.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6lHwWwO3w
(After listening to above Lecture in it's entirety)
Any questions?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv6lHwWwO3w
(After listening to above Lecture in it's entirety)
Any questions?
PurplePuppy
Sergeant
An excellent question!
And your answer: Yes.
And your answer: Yes.
As I hinted, you might as well assume it exists, because if it doesn't, you can't choose your assumptions anyway. A case where Pascal's Wager actually applies (it seems).
No, the probabilities don't matter.
If fate exists, then you can't decide on a position. If free will exists, then you can. Thus, you should believe in free will. There is no benefit to believing in fate if it exists, and even if there were, it's irrelevant since you can't choose it anyway.
Note that I'm not particularly talking about the truth. I don't have a clue.
If fate exists, then you can't decide on a position. If free will exists, then you can. Thus, you should believe in free will. There is no benefit to believing in fate if it exists, and even if there were, it's irrelevant since you can't choose it anyway.
Note that I'm not particularly talking about the truth. I don't have a clue.
Papa Lazarou 说:
Not quite true. Mentally it can be very stabilising to believe none of your problems are due to your actions, but rather due to some mystic force of "fate"
Slight generalisation?
Fair enough in some cases. No net benefit then. Or, no benefit for me haha.Cleaning Agent 说:
I care about truth, but only because it relates to other things.Ursca 说:
Then again, there's only a point in having this conversation if free will exists. Guh, everything breaks down if you assume fate exists. I think free will is pretty close to being a necessary assumption, like the validity of logic or something.
