Faction relation drop

[Sardillo]

Hi!
So i'm trying to setup my kingdom by conquering Dubh Linn. Anyway i have been leading bandit raids against the Tribe of Oisrage all this time to weaken them to take the city. It was all well and good during this period, fighting their armies and gaining quality troops.
But when I took Dubh Linn (Owned by Oisrage), suddenly the Kingdom of Mide got a sneaky relation drop to -1 wich appears to make them go to all out war with campaigns and stuff against me
I just want to know what brought this relation drop on. I don't have anything against factions declaring war on me, atleast then I know that I am fighting them.

PS. My relationship with the christians is +40 so it shouldnt be them badmouthing me.

 

[Saphirra]

Meet the king of that faction and you will know why, when I'm a vassal of a kingdom sometimes my relation with other kingdom will drop for no reason at all, and when I bring my army to "greet" the king of that kingdom, he says I attacked his caravan.

 

[Sardillo]

Seems rather weird though, since the only country I have been raiding is the Tribe of Oisrage, never touched anothers caravans.

 

[Sardillo]

Would really like an answer on what it could be, Kingdom of Mide and Oisrage are not allies (don't even know if that is a cause for the relation to drop). It feels rather arbitrary for the relation to just "plumet" for no reason whatsoever. There isn't even a tooltip saying that i lost relation with them.
I could live with it if they infact declared war on me, but not this.

 

[kraggrim]

Sometimes you seem to get relation drops with kingdoms of the same culture type as another that you're at war with. I don't know why it happens on some playthroughs but not on others.

 

[kalarhan]

Would really like an answer on what it could be, Kingdom of Mide and Oisrage are not allies (don't even know if that is a cause for the relation to drop). It feels rather arbitrary for the relation to just "plumet" for no reason whatsoever. There isn't even a tooltip saying that i lost relation with them.
I could live with it if they infact declared war on me, but not this.

1) make sure you are playing version 2.012

2) game events that change relations have display messages. You most likely missed it (Warband system is not the easiest to read...)

3) gain some positive relation with neighbours nations before you start a conquer war. That way you will have a small buffer. Losing 1 point when you have 0 is bad, but losing it when you had +10 is not

 

[kaiser]

I get this too sometimes. But since I'm not trying to start my own kingdom yet, I usually just go talk to one of the lords and pay 810 denars to take away the -1 relation.

 

[Sardillo]

Would really like an answer on what it could be, Kingdom of Mide and Oisrage are not allies (don't even know if that is a cause for the relation to drop). It feels rather arbitrary for the relation to just "plumet" for no reason whatsoever. There isn't even a tooltip saying that i lost relation with them.
I could live with it if they infact declared war on me, but not this.

1) make sure you are playing version 2.012

2) game events that change relations have display messages. You most likely missed it (Warband system is not the easiest to read...)

3) gain some positive relation with neighbours nations before you start a conquer war. That way you will have a small buffer. Losing 1 point when you have 0 is bad, but losing it when you had +10 is not

1. Yes I am

2. Hmm, I checked right before I attacked Dubh Linn, i was at 0 relation. When i came out of the battle and checked the message log there were only messages about relation drop with Oisrage, yet I still had -1 relation with kingdom of Mide.

3. I guess this is the way to go, thanks

 

[Sardillo]

Okay so after trying again, I got peace with the tribe of Oisrage. And after a while I declared war on the Kingdom of Mide after a provocation. Now i took a lord prisoner after defending against their campaign army. And then for some reason (still without tooltip btw) it happned again. Now I'm apparently at odds with the U'Neill, Oisrage (whom I still have truce with) and Mide, because of what? this can hardly be the intended mechanic... I can't be expected to have 10+ relation with every nation out there just because I attack one nation.

 

[kalarhan]

Okay so after trying again, I got peace with the tribe of Oisrage. And after a while I declared war on the Kingdom of Mide after a provocation. Now i took a lord prisoner after defending against their campaign army. And then for some reason (still without tooltip btw) it happned again. Now I'm apparently at odds with the U'Neill, Oisrage (whom I still have truce with) and Mide, because of what? this can hardly be the intended mechanic... I can't be expected to have 10+ relation with every nation out there just because I attack one nation.

war is complicated, and starting one without right (casus bellis) is a good way to make the world hate you 

if you feel like something is wrong:

1) Create a thread on the support forum http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/board,376.0.html

2) Post your savegame before you lost relation with all those factions

3) Add your rgl_log.txt

4) Info devs which version you are playing (2.012?) and if you have any mods/tweaks/etc

 

[Sardillo]

Yeah I had a casus belli, that's why I attacked

I may just have to do that, but I no longer have a savegame before I lost relations nor have I any idea what rgl_log.txt is

 

[kraggrim]

war is complicated, and starting one without right (casus bellis) is a good way to make the world hate you 

So starting a war without casus bellis give a relation drop with kingdoms you didn't attack?

Does this also apply if the player doesn't have a kingdom?

 

[BushDweller]

Could be the lack of right to rule, some kingdoms could feel threatened by you

 

[CeltiberoCaesar]

Hi everyone,
please, create a new thread in the support forum if you feel something isn't working and include your savegames.
Thanks

 

[Sardillo]

Could be the lack of right to rule, some kingdoms could feel threatened by you

Could it really be this? It makes sense since I only have 35 right to rule. But there should really be some explanation abut this if this was the case since this does not happen in Native that I can remember. But since the relation drop does not show up in the messages log, I'm still going to assume it's a bug