Evidence of this article of clothing?

[AelleCyning]

I keep seeing reconstructions wearing some sort of jacket, but the only thing I can find that shows this is the Sutton-Hoo plaque which shows a bunch of (dark?) elves wearing some.

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[matmohair1]

its called a Klappenrock, a wrap coat, similar to the Central Asian kaftan
those dancing warriors are wearing helmets decorated, with either raven heads,
or serpents like Jörmungandr, also, shouldn't this be posted in the General History Questions thread?!

Klappenrock from the Sutton-Hoo helmet https://vukpreslav.wordpress.com/2013/05/18/the-viking-wrap-jacket/

Klappenrock instructions  http://members.ozemail.com.au/~chrisandpeter/klappenrock/krock_instructions.htm

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[AelleCyning]

They're clearly elves, looks at the ears.

 

[Mamlaz]

The ones he provided aren't elves.

Also, we actually have a part of a surviving piece;

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[AelleCyning]

That's a small piece of muddy fabric, how do they know it was a wrapped tunic?

EDIT: Also, the Sutton-Hoo helmet is believed by archeologists () to have been made in Scandinavia, or by a Norseman at least. That would make sense, it would explain why the warriors on it are wearing Norse clothing.

I assume Raedwald bought a nice Norse helmet he saw. And now reconstructionists are running around in the wrong type of clothing... 

 

[Mamlaz]

That's a small piece of muddy fabric, how do they know it was a wrapped tunic?

Look closer at the lining.

Also, it is not a small piece of fabric, for archaeology, that is a enormous piece of fabric.

EDIT: Also, the Sutton-Hoo helmet is believed by archeologists () to have been made in Scandinavia, or by a Norseman at least. That would make sense, it would explain why the warriors on it are wearing Norse clothing.

That is merely one idea that is still debated.

And now reconstructionists are running around in the wrong type of clothing... 

No, you are just being a pretentious swirl trying to raise question to make yourself feel smarter.

 

[AelleCyning]

I was interested in the evidence behind Saxons wearing this. There isn't much.

Also, nice ad hominem.

 

[Mamlaz]

There isn't much surviving evidence of many things.

But that piece of fabric I posted above is pretty much definitive proof.

 

[AelleCyning]

There isn't much surviving evidence of many things.

But that piece of fabric I posted above is pretty much definitive proof.

Where was it found then? When is it dated to.

EDIT: 9th century Denmark, Hedeby. I think we're done here.

 

[Mamlaz]

EDIT: 9th century Denmark, Hedeby. I think we're done here.

...?

You never specified a location, you demanded proof of the existence of clothing, nothing else.


Not to mention that, by your logic, historical equipment would all be localized in some determined bubbles of usage based on findings.

Like longbows never being used in Wessex or bascinets never being used in west Bulgaria.

 

[AelleCyning]

I posted an image of a 7th century Saxon reconstructionist.

 

[Mamlaz]

So?

If I asked a question about mail hauberks in general and posted a norman warrior, how would that limit the discussion to the Normans?

 

[AelleCyning]

Fine, I should have said Saxons. There's no evidence of Saxons wearing these.

 

[Mamlaz]

Fine, I should have said Saxons. There's no evidence of Saxons wearing these.

Apart from the Sutton Hoo you already mentioned that has literally every single person adorned in it;

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Not to mention loads of other art depictions in carving or relief from Frisia to Estonia that would make wearing that coat as a Saxon reenactor easily historical even by using trade as an excuse.


Even their armor depictions show some weird diagonal liner;

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[AelleCyning]

That last one is from Scandinavia. The penultimate is clearly chainmail with a bandolier.
And the Sutton-Hoo helm is almost universally agreed by archeologists to be a Scandinavian design or even make.

Also, they're not wearing trousers or shoes. Probably not a representation of reality, even as South as Sussex they'd have lost their legs in the autumn and winter.

 

[Mamlaz]

That last one is from Scandinavia.

Is it?

The penultimate is clearly chainmail with a bandolier.

Hahahahaha

Bandoliers on early medieval hauberks

And the Sutton-Hoo helm is almost universally agreed by archeologists to be a Scandinavian design or even make.

Source?

Oh, yeah, I forgot, you don't do sources, you just state things.

Probably not a representation of reality

Nah, you just, for some bizarre reason, don't want it to be true.

I have never seen anyone actually object to this clothing before.

even as South as Sussex they'd have lost their legs in the autumn and winter.

How do you know they are naked beyond the waist?

Or you know, war season was during the late spring and summer so...

Ever seen Italian or Greek armor depictions?

Half naked dudes yet winters in Italy and Greece also mean snow and cold.

Shocking I know.

 

[AelleCyning]

Italy is far hotter than England.

Yes, bandoliers existed. Plenty of evidence of them. http://www.museumreplicas.com/images/Section/icon/19.jpg

And yes, that plaque is from Scandinavia. 9th century Vendel helmet plaqur showing Odin, Huginn and Muginn. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/82/f5/09/82f50936ac2a7aa6b2d94a5a40e6b202.jpg

I could post a source, but you're being a wanker. So no thanks.

 

[Evelyn]

I could post a source, but you're being a wanker. So no thanks.

This isn't how you win arguments, kid.

 

[AelleCyning]

I could post a source, but you're being a wanker. So no thanks.

This isn't how you win arguments, kid.

Good think I'm interested in history and not in winning arguments then.

 

[Evelyn]

You're not interested in history, you're looking for confirmation of your own views and beliefs. This differs strongly from an actual interest in history because in the process you're shutting out any evidence contrary to your own views and beliefs, whereas a good historian acknowledges alternate possibilities. Unless you think Lindybeige is a good historian, then by all means you have an interest in history, sure.