Everyone has spears

[froggyluv]

do not compare a mob with an army. self-preservation is nice and all, but it gets discarded when you need to hold the line and maintain cohesion.

So your saying the guys with shields were allowed to duck and raise them - but the other guys literally stood there like automatons just taking them to the face with no reaction? -Find that hard to believe

 

[froggyluv]

They jump backwards right when you try to hit them and dodge to like that sturgian in different ways...Ive seen em do that **** now and then

Ah yes you added an edit "Not with arrows" after i quoted you Yes they do sort of backpedal abit but not much in the way of real evasion. For instance why dont they duck sword swings? The animation is literally already ingame they just chose not to implement it.

 

[Darkath]

i think they have already implemented the spearmen in the back lines behind the shield walls what it looks like. But cant confirm it yet and it could just be im lucky with the formation setup

Shieldwall will put the people without shields at the back, but it won't make difference between 2 guys with a shield but different weapons.

 

[Althix]

just taking them to the face with no reaction?

no, what i'm saying that dancing under the rain of arrows is not something soldiers would do. the shieldwall has been created for a reason, just like testudo or any other formations.
as for taking to the face with no reaction. napoleonics wars as an example. people tend to take all kind of stuff into the face during those.

 

[black_bulldog]

Cant say as i wasnt there but id bet a dollar that even primitive cavemen charging a rival tribe hurling slings and stones would use a crouched running approach. You see keeping your body size smaller as projectiles is incoming to deliver a smaller target area is something even animals understand.

We already have an AI that doesnt understand cover -another very basic defensive premise of even animals -but at least evasive type animations including crouch which is already ingame -would add but an element of believability as well as troop survival

One of the reasons there were so many deaths during the American Civil War is because semi-automatic weapons and fully automatic weapons were being used and troops were still expected to march shoulder to shoulder straight at an enemy. Using cover and digging trenches didn't really exist (outside of guerilla warfare) till WWI.

 

[froggyluv]

One of the reasons there were so many deaths during the American Civil War is because semi-automatic weapons and fully automatic weapons were being used and troops were still expected to march shoulder to shoulder straight at an enemy. Using cover and digging trenches didn't really exist (outside of guerilla warfare) till WWI.

Bandits didnt use cover? Robin Hood was a lie?!

Ahh you did say guerrila warfare

Still guys with shields certainly kind of crouch and raised their shields when a volley of arrows approached -the naked man did nothing?

 

[black_bulldog]

Bandits didnt use cover? Robin Hood was a lie?!

Ahh you did say guerrila warfare

Still guys with shields certainly kind of crouch and raised their shields when a volley of arrows approached -the naked man did nothing?

Robin Hood wasn't real he was a fictional character, and bandits aren't soldiers. Soldiers were expected to fight and die if needed, yes the idea of not using cover sounds stupid today but that was how warfare was for 1000's of years. Yes using a shield was fine but expecting soldiers of those times without shields to dance around arrows wasn't going to happen.

 

[Darkath]

Bandits didnt use cover? Robin Hood was a lie?!

Bandits are one thing, but military tactics based on formations are another. A formation doesn't leave space for individual action, what is expected of you is obeying orders and executing them properly, not take individual actions which could put the whole formation in danger. So if the general says you stand, then you stand.

Of course we need more detailled commands sur as a command to tell our troops to kneel/crouch/brace etc. as currently what we have is not enough.

 

[froggyluv]

Robin Hood wasn't real he was a fictional character, and bandits aren't soldiers. Soldiers were expected to fight and die if needed, yes the idea of not using cover sounds stupid today but that was how warfare was for 1000's of years. Yes using a shield was fine but expecting soldiers of those times without shields to dance around arrows wasn't going to happen.

Again -is crouching dancing? If shielded soldiers crouched and raised shields -yes im basing this off of hollywood movies -why could not a shieldless soldier do the same?? Are you saying this was never done? Seems insane.

 

[froggyluv]

Questionable but he looked at me and didnt use his hands to pick up so

ha i seen this before. Thats definitely not an intended crouch

 

[froggyluv]

One of the reasons there were so many deaths during the American Civil War is because semi-automatic weapons and fully automatic weapons were being used and troops were still expected to march shoulder to shoulder straight at an enemy. Using cover and digging trenches didn't really exist (outside of guerilla warfare) till WWI.

Also what about the Barbarian horde? Did they not crouch and use cover when advancing on Romans? Did they really just charge in a straight line standing totally erect with incoming projectiles?