Encouragement of ERP by Trojan and US official versus RCC and WRP, societal?

[Adelade]

The past three Trojan servers have almost encouraged erp (Erotic Roleplay) . As well as them, Official/NAPW4 does so as well. Both of these are American. RCC and WRP(Warband roleplay) both have/had rules against the usage of ERP or limiting it. Is this merely the result of the deviance of a few american server owners or the closed mindedness of the owners of the EU servers? Perhaps it is neither, is the banishment of ERP from the EU servers direct in result of societal values of the owners?I am curious to see this openly discussed and not hidden away. I myself enjoy ERP but I am trying to keep this post free of bias, I can see a few points for and against ERP.

Keeping erp;

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1. Brings in a category of RPers who are very skilled but might feel limited if ERP was banned; A big issue in PW but not a large one in WRP.
2. Adds to the immersion of medieval roleplay.
3. Allows an escape to a medieval world for the more mature, it also being able to coexist with younger roleplayers if not forced upon them (Which would be powergaming on most servers, anyway.
4. Does not add restriction to roleplay and more work for the administrative staff

Banishment of ERP;

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1. Protects younger gamers from anything that may be too graphic for them (although nothing prevents them from typing a few words into google.)
2. Takes away the focus of some relationship RP and may bring it into the light of some of the more realistic reasons for a romance in the medieval times.
3.Creates almost a family environment

I am curious to know how the community feels about this.

 

[Gishank]

ERP/WRP?

I've never heard those terms before, mind clarifying as to what you're specifically on about? From the description of your post I am gathering you're refering to "cybering" in RP?

 

[Adelade]

Edited to add more clarity.

 

[IL_Scippio]

Is this like, i can't run around naked or whut? I don't see point in this, if theres some *Erotic Roleplay* going on, the person doesn't have to watch it... and still, how would the server owner/admins control it?

 

[Adelade]

Attempt to control it more like, I am meaning that they punish people if anyone reports it or it is found in the logs. It goes alot more indepth than *Runs around naked*

 

[Peton]

Just to point out since I was the one that got the Erp restrictions lifted from the RCC server that were first in place. RCC didn't really 'limit' Erp. The only 'limit' you could say was that 'Rape' was not permitted and of course it had to be in a private area and stay out of the global chat (This of course was common sense to the majority of the public)

Erp in my books is fine as long as it is kept in a private area so only those who want to interact with it actually experience it. Some people find it disturbing and others are just young and probably shouldn't experience any cybering unless they really want to. 'Rape' is considered Erp but thats a part that I am completely against, normal Erp is consented to by both parties and therefore is fine as far as I'm personally concerned but rape is of course one side forcing it onto another, and this victim may not actually want to experience this as they may be young making that rather sick or well they may just find the entire thing disturbing and may potentially ruin their gaming experience at that time (Some of the Erp'ers of this mod can get REALLY in depth its rather...creepy)

Is this like, i can't run around naked or whut? I don't see point in this, if theres some *Erotic Roleplay* going on, the person doesn't have to watch it... and still, how would the server owner/admins control it?

Erp limitations are not about "running around naked" its about if having sex between two characters should be allowed for instance if your character walked into a whorehouse and paid for a bed with one of the courtesans. You have a great point that you don't have to watch it which is why most servers just place the rule that if your going to do it, keep it out of public view and in a private room. In terms of how would admins control it, well thats rather simple, simply state it is against the rules and the reports of "So and so is Erping! Its gross!" will roll in, also the fact you can just search the logs for key words for Erp'ers like we did on RCC for racism.

 

[Herbiazors]

Cough, in my opinion you do know that a poll about it and the player's opinion won't really matter as, it's the server owners that decide. This is not a democracy, but anyhow when we're on it, rape was ofcourse banned on RCC, and for a good reason, i mean before it was banned i was running around on Nditions every day and running back to RCC and running around naked and fighting and taking hostages. Then raping them.. Poor people 

 

[The Man Who Laughs]

Ridiculous to say that European hosters don't have an open mind purely because they majority of them do not permit/support ERP. Stop trying to arouse more conflicts between EU and NA players... The rules against ERP are mainly in place because of the large amount of young players who play PW, and whilst I agree that ERP can be harmless if carried out in a private area, there are some idiots who take part in it anywhere. It's wrong to subject children to such sad and disgusting game play, especially children at the age of 10 and 11, which there are a lot of. I have never, and will never take part in it, it is my belief that those who do take part in it have something missing from their own social lives, and should really look for something better to do. I have not placed anti ERP rules into action yet on my server, and I will not do so unless I see any complaints arising from the matter.

 

[Herbiazors]

They just get to learn all about the tree and the dendrofiliac a bit earlier, that's all, nothing wrong with kids learning about that

 

[Svetlana_Treaty]

Most kids actually learn the basics before they are 10 or 11, well... actually... schools are taking out more of the sex ed classes... but, the point is, if there are 10-11 year olds that are too immature to handle "eRP" then they shouldn't be playing a roleplay mod like PW. I can understand they might think it's gross, which is understandable but. If they can't handle it, then they shouldn't be playing the mod, since it's a major part in the old and current community of pw.

 

[Sir Edwards]

It is a topic discussed many times over, if you want to ban it sure, but then you would be making a big mistake which rcc later found out a few weeks after banning it and uplifted it.  Rpae was a common treat given to the winner of any battle, don't say "oh it was only the vikings" because the proud and elegant crusaders took women as their spoils after conquering cities every time along with the english and french after they took over a city or raided a town.  It was a common thing, and limiting it doesn't make too much sense.  And hell, I cant remember how many times I have laughed my ass off at someone accidently having their wall of eRP text accidently posted in global chat lol.

Ah yes, and stop trying to spark any conflict between the EU and NA population, I get along just fine with both parties and actually prefer the diversity for it makes for a splendid time.  Now, if you continue this kind of plotting, watch your server crumble by losing many players

 

[Adelade]

It is a topic discussed many times over, if you want to ban it sure, but then you would be making a big mistake which rcc later found out a few weeks after banning it and uplifted it.  Rpae was a common treat given to the winner of any battle, don't say "oh it was only the vikings" because the proud and elegant crusaders took women as their spoils after conquering cities every time along with the english and french after they took over a city or raided a town.  It was a common thing, and limiting it doesn't make too much sense.  And hell, I cant remember how many times I have laughed my ass off at someone accidently having their wall of eRP text accidently posted in global chat lol.

Ah yes, and stop trying to spark any conflict between the EU and NA population, I get along just fine with both parties and actually prefer the diversity for it makes for a splendid time.  Now, if you continue this kind of plotting, watch your server crumble by losing many players

"Plotting." Because I am genuinely interested in the subject it means that I am plotting? I know I am just an evil server owner with a conspiracy to steal players from the EU playerbase by posting things relevant to any populated EU PW server right now, oh wait. 

 

[Яowan]

I'll put my opinion quite simply:

When you're 10-14 and some horny 20-30 year old comes on PW, then comes up to you and forces you to be subject to eRP of any sort, it could be called multiple things including Paedophilia (Whether or not the rapist / whatever is aware the other user is under age).

So, RCC banned the act of forced eRP (Specifically rape, but in private players could act it out, but in that condition both would be consenting and no one would be subject to it who didn't wish to be) and for good reasons to. Over half the PW population is under the age of 16.

The difference between us banning it and others not banning it was the sheer fact that we, as providers of a service to the public, upheld a responsibility to reduce possible risks to our players, no matter the age.

@Edwards, we never lifted the rule. eRP was allowed in private only, while previously it was allowed in public but it caused numerous issues for younger players, of whom actually reported the issue to us.

Plus, anyway, our team was just about 50:50 to US/EU

 

[IL_Scippio]

I've never saw in the time i've been on PW, that there's random dude running around and offering sex. I've seen like faction with name *Tavern* and they offer whores and stuff, but you gotta pay for them. And to be honest, most people who play PW know what sex is and etc. Since this is 21st century and it's been talked on TV/Radio alot and as someone mentioned before that in school they give students sex ed classes, so i don't really know why anybody would ban it.

 

[Sir Edwards]

Sex ed is quite pointless nowadays.  By the time anyone takes it, they already know 90% of everything that happens haha.

 

[IL_Scippio]

Sex ed is quite pointless nowadays.  By the time anyone takes it, they already know 90% of everything that happens haha.

I agree on this one.

 

[The Man Who Laughs]

I agree with N0b on the paedophilia part, it's quite simply disgusting, using the fact that you're on a computer as an excuse to target young players in a sexual manner.

 

[Serann]

When you're 10-14 and some horny 20-30 year old comes on PW, then comes up to you and forces you to be subject to eRP of any sort, it could be called multiple things including Paedophilia (Whether or not the rapist / whatever is aware the other user is under age).

From my experience, and I have been RPing for a while online now, it's usually the other way around, with a young teen humping some more mature player's leg. Also, I really doubt any 13 year old would be very disturbed by ERP. The most dramatic thing they would experience, I figure, is being critized for writting uncreative, unexperienced ERP or something. I mean honestly, it hasn't been that long since we were 13, people, and I know I wouldn't have been very disturbed in my hormonecrazed days and chances are neither were you.

Know what really disturbed me when I was alot younger and RPing? When my character was killed (by a godmodder, soooo unfair!) I was almost close to tears, kinda funny in retrospect.
If we want to protect the younger, ban combat and IC death from the servers.

 

[L3git Squig Herder]

I think it is fine for it to be allowed, just not forced onto someone. Both participants must agree to it OOC. Simple as that. (And make sure it's not in the middle of the street, of course.)

 

[John Frederick]

If you want to "do it" virtually, then by all means go for it. Just leave me out of it. Just like the real thing, OOC consent should be given by both parties. Keep it to local chat and nothing else. If you don't like it, don't do it. Simple as that.