e1.8.0 Troop & Item Changes

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Dejan

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The following troop and item changes that weren't included in the patch notes are also being pushed out with e1.8.0.

Troop Changes​

  • Moved Mounted Pillager and Mounted Ransacker to bandits.xml. They are now of "looters" culture.
  • Quest NPCs "Mounted Pillager", "Mounted Ransacker", "Poacher" and "Mercenary" will not be shown on the encyclopedia.
  • Equipment sets of Skolderbroda troops have been repurposed in order to emphasize on the "nordish" look of the units.
  • Khuzait Archer
    • Reinforced Studded Shoulder Guards (17 Body, 4 Arm) instead of Reinforced Studded Neckguard (17 Body).
    • Brigandine Vest (34 Body, 4 Leg, 2 Arm) instead of Cured Leather Lamellar Armor (25 Body, 12 Leg, 6 Arm).
  • Khuzait Marksman
    • Reinforced Studded Shoulder Guards (17 Body, 4 Arm) instead of Reinforced Studded Neckguard (17 Body).
    • Cured Leather Lamellar Armor (24 Body, 12 Leg, 6 Arm) instead of Brigandine Vest (34 Body, 4 Leg, 2 Arm).
  • Khuzait Spear Infantry
    • Leather Lamellar Shoulder Guards (12 Body, 3 Arm) instead of Reinforced Studded Shoulder Guards (17 Body, 4 Arm).
    • Cured Leather Lamellar Armor (25 Body, 12 Leg, 6 Arm) instead of Stitched Cured Leather Coat (20 Body, 10 Leg, 6 Arm).
  • Khuzait Spearman
    • Stitched Cured Leather Coat (20 Body, 10 Leg, 6 Arm) instead of Reinforced Mirror Armor (16 Body, 5 leg, 2 Arm).
    • Upturned Fur Caps (10 Head) instead of Nomad Helmets (31 Head).
  • Khuzait Horse Archer
    • Brigandine Vest (34 Body, 4 Leg, 2 Arm) instead of Cured Leather Lamellar Armor (24 Body, 12 Leg, 6 Arm).
  • Khuzait Heavy Horse Archer
    • Mirrored Brigandine Armor (36 Body, 14 Leg, 14 Arm) instead of Brigandine Vest (34 Body, 4 Leg, 2 Arm).
  • Lake Rat Recruits
    • Removed Military Forks.
    • Added Small Bit Axe and another set of fish harpoons.
  • Lake Rat Veterans
    • Removed Broad Leaf Shaped Spear.
    • Added Woodland Axe.
  • Lake Rat Wreckers
    • Removed Jagged Fine Steel Spear.
    • Added Small Bit Axe.
  • Khuzait Wanderers
    • Removed Fine Steel Saber on their side.
    • Added Simple Saber and Iron Saber.
  • Mercenary Swordsman
    • Now uses Cervelliere over Laced Coif (29 Head).
  • Hired Blade
    • Now uses Nasalhelm over Mail (33 Head).
  • Vlandian Billman
    • Now has 80 Polearm (was 60), 35 Crossbow (was 45) and 35 Throwing (was 45).
  • Banner Knights
    • Full Helm over Mail Coif (50 Head) instead of Full Helm over Laced Coif (46 Head).
  • Vlandian Voulgiers
    • Removed Broad Two Hander.
  • Imperial Palatine Guards
    • Spathas instead of Fine Steel Spathas.
    • Added a second stack of bodkin arrows.
  • Vlandian Squire
    • Morningstar instead of Spiked Mace.
  • Khan's Guard
    • Steppe Recurve Bow instead of Steppe War Bow.
  • Renamed the Karakhuzait Rider to Karakhergit Rider.
  • Renamed Karakhuzait Nomad to Karakhergit Nomad.
  • Renamed Karakhuzait Elder to Karakhergit Elder.
  • Renamed Aserai Mameluke Mamluke.
  • Jawwal Camel Riders no longer have horsemen in their ranks.
  • The Mercenary Horseman now uses the Long Infantry Spear.
  • The Mercenary Cavalry now uses the Wide Leaf Spear.
  • Vlandian Footman no longer upgrades into Vlandian Infantry (Vlandian infantry will be isolated in order to be removed from the game). It will now upgrade into the Vlandian Light Cavalry and the Vlandian Spearman.
  • The new Vlandian Tier 3 Light Cavalry (level 16) will now upgrade into the Vlandian Cavalry (level 21).
  • Vlandian Light Cavalry skills:
    • Athletics: 30
    • Riding: 60
    • One-Handed: 70
    • Two-Handed: 40
    • Polearm: 80
    • Bow: 30
    • Crossbow: 35
    • Throwing: 25
  • Vlandian Cavalry skills:
    • Athletics: 60
    • Riding: 120
    • One-Handed: 80
    • Two-Handed: 45
    • Polearm: 110
    • Bow: 40
    • Crossbow: 40
    • Throwing: 30
  • Empire Caravan Guards are now horse archers with light crossbows and 110 Crossbow skill (was 15).
  • Vlandian Caravan Guard now has 60 Crossbow skill (was 15).
  • Vlandian Militia Veteran Archers now use Arbalest.
  • Boar Champion now uses the Hickory Crossbow.
  • Vlandian Levy Crossbowman, Boar Veteran and Boar Novice now uses "Heavy Crossbow".
  • Looters no longer use blacksmith hammers.
  • The Vlandian Flamboyant Lord template now has Leather Gloves.
  • Aserai Notable NPCs no longer wear Aserai Archer Armors.
  • Removed non-civilian equipment from civilian sets of nobles.

Item Changes​

  • Lamellar Shoulder Pieces now has 18 Body and 3 Arm (was 12 Body and 3 Arm).
  • Camels are now of Aserai culture (they will now be asked for in Lords needs horses issues).
  • Leopard Pelts can now be equipped in civilian sets.
  • Chickens now have 5 health points instead of 100.
  • The Sparring Broadsword will no longer be sold on the markets.
  • Heavy Crossbow now has the following stats: 80 missile speed, 96 accuracy and 82 thrust damage.

Item Name Changes​

  • Woodland Cloak -> Woodland Cape
  • Fringed Cloak -> Fringed Cape
  • Heavy Tartan Cape -> Heavy Tartan Scarf
  • Woodland Fur Cape -> Woodland Fur Cloak
  • Furred Noble Lancer Helmet with Neckguard -> Plumed Noble Lancer Helmet with Neckguard
  • Plumed Closed Warlord Helmet -> Northern Closed Warlord Helmet
  • Plated Striped Gauntlets -> Plated Striped Vambraces
  • Broad Tzkurion -> Broad Tzikourion
  • Female Head Wrap -> Female Headwrap
  • Female Rural Head Wrap -> Female Rural Headwrap
  • Franceska -> Francesca
  • Gallogaich Axe -> Galloglaich Axe
  • Heavy Lamellar Pouldrons -> Heavy Lamellar Pauldrons
  • Imperial Jewelled Helmet -> Imperial Jeweled Helmet
  • Iron Plate Pouldrons -> Iron Plate Pauldrons
  • Bronze Plate Pouldrons -> Bronze Plate Pauldrons
  • Cured Leather Pouldrons -> Cured Leather Pauldrons
  • Kefiyyeh with Brown Band -> Keffiyeh with Brown Band
  • Kefiyyeh with Silken Band -> Keffiyeh with Silken Band
  • Colored Kefiyyeh -> Colored Keffiyeh
  • Leather Studdedhelm over Roughscale -> Leather Studded Helm over Roughscale
  • Leather Studdedhelm over Headcloth -> Leather Studded Helm over Headcloth
  • Leather Studdedhelm over Thinhide -> Leather Studded Helm over Thinhide
  • Rhomphalia -> Rhomphaia
  • Roughspun Kefiyyeh -> Roughspun Keffiyeh
  • Segmented Cevelliere over Mail -> Segmented Cervelliere over Mail
  • Segmented Cevelliere over Mail Coif -> Segmented Cervelliere over Mail Coif
  • Sparring Gallogaich Axe -> Sparring Galloglaich Axe
  • Woodland axe -> Woodland Axe
  • Warlord Helmet with Feather -> Warlord Helmet with Feathers
  • Mameluke Helmet with Mail -> Mamluke Helmet with Mail
  • Cataphracts Half Scale Barding -> Cataphract Half Scale Barding
  • Highborns Leather Boots -> Highborn Leather Boots
  • Horsemans Boots -> Horseman Boots
  • Huscarls Hauberk -> Huscarl Hauberk
  • Lords Helmet with Metal Strips -> Lord Helmet with Metal Strips
  • Rider’s Kite Shield -> Horseman Kite Shield
  • Riders Sparring Kite Shield -> Horseman Sparring Kite Shield
  • Sultans’ Crowned Lord Helmet -> Noble Crowned Lord Helmet
  • Sultans’ Steel Cap -> Noble Steel Cap
  • Woman’s Hood -> Cotton Hood
  • Woman's Scarf -> Thick Scarf
  • Makeshift Horsemans Kite Shield -> Makeshift Horseman Kite Shield
  • Battered Horseman's Kite Shield -> Simple Horseman Kite Shield
  • Cavalry Kite Shield -> Sturdy Cavalry Kite Shield
  • Battered Kite Shield -> Simple Kite Shield
  • Crude Large Round Shield -> Simple Large Round Shield
  • Reinforced Scale Pouldrons -> Reinforced Scale Pauldrons
  • Woodland Fur Cape -> Woodland Fur Cloak
  • Woodland Cloak -> Woodland Cape
  • Fringed Cloak -> Fringed Cape
  • Heavy Tartan Cape -> Heavy Tartan Scarf
  • Furred Noble Lancer Helmet with Neckguard -> Plumed Noble Lancer Helmet with Neckguard
  • Plumed Closed Warlord Helmet -> Northern Closed Warlord Helmet
  • Plated Striped Gauntlets -> Plated Striped Vambraces
  • Long Infantry Spear -> Tall Tipped Long Spear
  • Weighted Steppe Spear -> Jagged Tipped Spear. It also uses the Jagged Spear Head instead of Weighted Awl Pike Head.
 
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AfLIcTeD

Sergeant at Arms
I was expecting at least some troops or nobles to be equipped with some of the new equipment that has been put into the game.
 

Userre

Recruit
A quick note concerning the Vlandian noble line; new shoulder items were JUST added for the vlandians, and it's rather unsightly that the noble line don't have proper shoulder armor. It might be pertinent to swap that out ASAP if you could please, it's been a withstanding dream of mine that my favorite culture gets some decent shoulder armor :smile:
 

Apox

Count
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Vlandian Footman no longer upgrades into Vlandian Infantry (Tier 5 infantry will be isolated in order to be removed from the game)
There is a confusing typo here, so confusing that I thought Vlandian Sergeants got removed for a second. :lol:
It should be Tier 3 (Vlandian) Infantry, not Tier 5.
 

Radiant

Recruit
Nice changes coupled with the new trade goods prices, I was hoping for some updates regarding the Imperial Elite Infantry not being able to throw their Pilums. Oh well, time for another Vlandia campaign.
 

Ask

Sergeant
A little disappointing that the only change hired blades and mercenary swordsmen had were the helmets, the rest of their armor could have done with some improvements.
 

DatBoiCV93

Recruit
A quick note concerning the Vlandian noble line; new shoulder items were JUST added for the vlandians, and it's rather unsightly that the noble line don't have proper shoulder armor. It might be pertinent to swap that out ASAP if you could please, it's been a withstanding dream of mine that my favorite culture gets some decent shoulder armor :smile:
in on this one. That new mail shoulderpiece should for sure be on the champions and banner knights! Simple, but effective.
 

Dejan

Community Manager
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There is a confusing typo here, so confusing that I thought Vlandian Sergeants got removed for a second. :lol:
It should be Tier 3 (Vlandian) Infantry, not Tier 5.
Indeed, it's a typo. Thanks. Fixed to:
  • Vlandian Footman no longer upgrades into Vlandian Infantry (Vlandian infantry will be isolated in order to be removed from the game). It will now upgrade into the Vlandian Light Cavalry and the Vlandian Spearman.
 
  • Added 14 new heads and 5 new handles which can be used for the creation of two-handed maces in the smithy. 10 two-handed maces, created out of these pieces have also been added to the marketplace and various troops (Bandits, Aserai Mameluke Guard, Aserai Mameluke Palace Guard, Sturgian Line Breaker).
The patch notes noted that 10 two-handed maces were added to some troops, but I can't find them here. What's wrong?
 

Halbedier

Recruit
No fix for Cataphracts to have the couchable lance they are supposed to have?

sad Empire noises
 
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Pentagathoos

Veteran
I'm not really sure where to ask so I'll ask here, have there been any changes to what damage type axes inflict? I might have massively misunderstood but I thought that they did a mix of damage (cutting plus some blunt?) but I can't even remember where I heard that.
I'm asking because 2 handed axes seem to be completely inferior to 2 H swords against most troops. If they're unarmoured peasants then the axe is good for cleaving through mobs but generally a high tier sword seems to do more damage than the highest tier axes. I know armour has been reworked in 1.8 which has been great, but it seems like the best slashing swords are somehow the best anti-armour weapons now which is a little sad. :sad:
 

nereid

Sergeant
I'm not really sure where to ask so I'll ask here, have there been any changes to what damage type axes inflict? I might have massively misunderstood but I thought that they did a mix of damage (cutting plus some blunt?) but I can't even remember where I heard that.
I'm asking because 2 handed axes seem to be completely inferior to 2 H swords against most troops. If they're unarmoured peasants then the axe is good for cleaving through mobs but generally a high tier sword seems to do more damage than the highest tier axes. I know armour has been reworked in 1.8 which has been great, but it seems like the best slashing swords are somehow the best anti-armour weapons now which is a little sad. :sad:
Axes do cutting damage, but are able to cleave through at least two enemies with one strike and are more effective against shields. You can also craft two handed maces, which should offer the best bang for your buck against heavy armor.
 

Pentagathoos

Veteran
IDK why but I always thought that weapons in BL did a mix of damage types. Very sad :sad:
Also I think stabby damage needs a buff for swords, with pierce damage not being so effective vs armour and stabs doing so much less damage than cuts there is no reason to use thrusts apart from it looking cool occasionally. I should probably find the feedback thread
 

Zerosaiko

Squire
If I remember right, it's less that different weapon types do different mixes of cut/pierce/blunt, but more that a percentage of Cut damage is treated like Blunt versus armor and a different percentage of Pierce damage is treated like Blunt versus armor?
 

Taveren

Regular
WBWF&S
@Dejan : Can anybody from the Bannerlord development team comment on why the top tier troops FREQUENTLY have inferior armour and weapons to the tier(s) below them?
I have noticed that almost every faction's top tier troops in some area are inferiorly equipped to the tier below them. Is this an intentional programming decision to make the top tier more vulnerable? I do notice when I review combat deaths that almost always, the very top tier suffers the highest combat mortalities. This seems counterproductive to the effort and cost to upgrade them. It would seem intuitive that lower tier troops SHOULD suffer highest combat mortalities, they are not called "cannon fodder" for nothing. And "the strong shall survive" etc.
Looking forward to your comments. I can easily provide examples to prove my comments.
 
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