Dual wielding, pros and cons why it wasn't used inside a specialized unit.

[Bromden]

Lunging in and attacking at the opponents mistakes are two different things. And even if it's an experiment, it lacks fantasy.

 

[Scuba Steve]

He might be making excellent points (I don't know; I fell asleep at two minutes), but he is **** at handling two swords.

Considering he's just doing moulinet drills with them, nor does he claim to be an expert or even good at using two swords, that doesn't really matter.

 

[Bromden]

If he is not an expert, he shouldn't be droning on about the topic endlessly.

 

[Scuba Steve]

If he is not an expert, he shouldn't be droning on about the topic endlessly.

I'm not sure how doing moulinet drills for two swords from treatises, and talking for less than 10 minutes in each video is droning about a topic endlessly. Especially considering he's talking about their historical context.

 

[Bromden]

It was insufferabbly boring, and that minute or two I listened to without falling asleep was from a very amateurish point of view. And when he waved the swords around, it became obvious that he has nothing to do with wielding a sword.

 

[Austupaio]

Feel free to point out specifics.

 

[Mamlaz]

it became obvious that he has nothing to do with wielding a sword.

lol the dude spent half his life studying medieval martial arts.

He is the head of one of the most prominent fencing schools in Britain.

Just because you consider his way of talking/presenting insufferable, does not mean you have to go haywire on everything about him.


There are videos of him pwning spear wielders with a dagger...

 

[Bromden]

Feel free to point out specifics.

As I said, the guy doesn't use his full reach in his cuts, this seems to be the case in other videos of him too, even where he teaches stuff. And if he's been doing this the half of his life, it meens he drilled faults into himself. I'm not going haywire about him, I didn't even watch his videos before. It's just how he does his stuff is not convincing. He probably lacked peer review during much of his training.

 

[Mamlaz]

As I said, the guy doesn't use his full reach in his cuts, this seems to be the case in other videos of him too, even where he teaches stuff.

This is done(in the dual video) on purpose, he does not do it in most other videos.

He probably lacked peer review during much of his training.

Bromden HEMA expert ftw.

Criticizing a man who did professional fencing and then switched to HEMA, totaling decades of continuous experience.

 

[Bromden]

As I said, he does the same in other videos too when teaching his sabre stuff.

And if we are on to personal attacks, lol, Mamlaz, protecting a person's technical knowledge without him having any experience of it.

 

[Mamlaz]

I am not sure whether you are implying that he has no technical knowledge or I in that last statement...

Does not matter though, you would be wrong regardless.

 

[Bromden]

I meant you. And of course you say I am wrong, that's what you do all the time.

 

[Mamlaz]

Yeah, at least I limit my banter to random interwebs users, not historians or fencers or people who are obviously "in the know".

I lament the "wrong" on forum members, you make fun of a guy who has been fencing for decades now, is an instructor, and leads a multi-branched fencing school that also organizes tournaments.

 

[Bromden]

I'm not making fun of him, I criticized his sloppy technique. Time, ranks and fouding of schools will not assure that you are a flawless warrior. I'm saying that as a ranking member and an instructor of a martial arts school I belong to for more than one and a half decade. Seen plenty of "masters" in all kinds of martial arts who were a pile of **** after decades of training and teaching. This Matt guy is not the worst offender by far.

 

[Mamlaz]

But you do realize that you are a practitioner of a martial art that is a lot different than what he is practicing?

You do understand that certain things you see as flaws are more probably a result of differences in the art itself rather than Matt being unskilled, especially considering the amount of time he has been practicing it?

Heck, there are easily visible differences between different schools of longsword, let alone between fighting styles of different swords and weapons.

 

[Bromden]

You realize that the aim of wielding a weapon is to defeat the other weapon-wielding ****er in front of you? There's no such thing as a lot different martial art, even if you compare the wielding of that shaolin chain-and-weight thing with the ancient celtic art of clubbing others to death with a shillelagh. In the first blink they are two totally different things, but in the end they are all about reach, balance, the ability to turn the opponent's mistakes on 'em, dominating the opponent's spirit, and so on, and so on. These are important in each and every one of the martial arts ever. If you see it in your own 'arts that if these are applied correctly or not, you will see it in others too.
I didn't say he is unskilled. The way he moves his hip and upper body and the fluency of his steps show that he practiced a lot. What I said is that he drilled faults into himself, the most obvious is his lack of reach when cutting.
The differences between the schools and styles is indeed obvious, but the non-obvious common parts would be what are the most telling. Is the guy standing there with the fighting spirit of a limp ****? Is his lover body moving slower than his upper body? Is his arms doing all the work? Is he attacking/moving without hesitation, or is he trying to fight foremost with intellect? Etc. These are what decides the outcome of a duel, and not how ranking you are in whichever society.

 

[Mamlaz]

There's no such thing as a lot different martial art

Sure, when I watch videos of Philipino eskrima practicioners and rapier fencers I see very little difference

In the first blink they are two totally different things, but in the end they are all about reach, balance, the ability to turn the opponent's mistakes on 'em, dominating the opponent's spirit, and so on, and so on.

The fact that what you just stated is true does not mitigate the fact that the ways to achieve everything mentioned often differs from weapon to weapon.

If you see it in your own 'arts that if these are applied correctly or not, you will see it in others too.

Yes, but you will also apply what you think are correct movements with your own weapon to be correct movements with another weapon and other martial art form.

What I said is that he drilled faults into himself, the most obvious is his lack of reach when cutting.

There is no lack of reach when cutting if he wants to achieve reach, watch his other videos.

You are ignorant of the fact that arming sword and longsword users have a different notion of a perfect cut, since the final portion of the blade towards the tip of very tapered sword(which are very popular in HEMA) is not considered the best cutting area.

These are what decides the outcome of a duel, and not how ranking you are in whichever society.

Don't know, I have seen far to many overly agressive kenjutsu and HEMA practicioners get pwned by patient borefest fencers.

 

[Bromden]

****ing amateurs.
Let's see:

There's no such thing as a lot different martial art

Sure, when I watch videos of Philipino eskrima practicioners and rapier fencers I see very little difference

They each can learn from each other and enrich their own 'arts by stealing and preparing for different moves and techniques.

In the first blink they are two totally different things, but in the end they are all about reach, balance, the ability to turn the opponent's mistakes on 'em, dominating the opponent's spirit, and so on, and so on.

The fact that what you just stated is true does not mitigate the fact that the ways to achieve everything mentioned often differs from weapon to weapon.

I wasn't talking about the way he gained his skills, but the result of it.

If you see it in your own 'arts that if these are applied correctly or not, you will see it in others too.

Yes, but you will also apply what you think are correct movements with your own weapon to be correct movements with another weapon and other martial art form.

There is no weapon or form where the lack of full reach is preferable.

What I said is that he drilled faults into himself, the most obvious is his lack of reach when cutting.

There is no lack of reach when cutting if he wants to achieve reach, watch his other videos.

You are ignorant of the fact that arming sword and longsword users have a different notion of a perfect cut, since the final portion of the blade towards the tip of very tapered sword(which are very popular in HEMA) is not considered the best cutting area.

It's sabre cuts he's doing, and it's there in those few videos I checked of him doing sabre stuff. And if you don't cut with the end of your sword, not cutting with your full length of reach is an even worse offense.

These are what decides the outcome of a duel, and not how ranking you are in whichever society.

Don't know, I have seen far to many overly agressive kenjutsu and HEMA practicioners get pwned by patient borefest fencers.

I am still not talking about aggression.

 

[Mamlaz]

**** amateurs.

They each can learn from each other and enrich their own 'arts by stealing and preparing for different moves and techniques.

Good for them.

Still does not mean they are inherently "very similar" just because they share the same status as a weapons related martial art.

I wasn't talking about the way he gained his skills, but the result of it.

...what?

Are you even reading what I am writing?

Heck, are you even reading what you are writing?

There is no weapon or form where the lack of full reach is preferable.

Ridiculous statement.

For instance, all blade/swing focused polearms sacrifice reach for versatility and handling.

Similarly to this, every single medieval dagger/knife related treatise sacrifices reach for better grip force and wrestling/klinch initiative.

Not to mention numerous sword treatises which include sections that either advise or propose reach sacrificing.

Heck, halfswording.

It's sabre cuts he's doing, and it's there in those few videos I checked of him doing sabre stuff. And if you don't cut with the end of your sword, not cutting with your full length of reach is an even worse offense.

Alrighty smartypants, show a video of proper sabre usage, and show a video of Matt messing up for comparison.

I am still not talking about aggression.

Alright.

I still believe you just have an irrational disdain towards the dude and that your criticisms have no leg to stand on.

If it was some random dude on youtube without credentials then eeh, but this dude is far from some charlatan and would probably wipe the floor with both you and me.

 

[Bromden]

If you lose half a meter distance by not reaching out with your arm properly, you can whitewash it as much as you want, your technique has problems. If you need comparison videos for that, try pursuing an activity with less importance on movement.
And, I repeat, I have nothing against the guy. I wasn't even aware who he is until you started worshipping his footprints here. (Are you sure it's me who's biased and not you?) I just talk about what I saw. And I'm quite sure he'd mop the floor up with you, as the surest way to lose against someone is if you think you have no chance against him.