Dual Weapons?

[bllallb]

Its not unrealistic to have two weapons equiped?
i.e. two long swords can still be used to block weapons.

What do you all think?

 

[Rando]

I think you should search.

http://taleworlds.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=2380&sid=bc7f28e65eb45731999ca6ace2b1344d
http://taleworlds.com/v-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1223

They got over 60 replies and I do believe the general concensus was, "Um, no."

Happy Birthday by the way.

 

[Thorn]

Two longswords would generally be too heavy, but not impossible (would require some serious skill too). But I'd love to see the abillity to equip a dagger in the off hand, would make it possible to make some serious sneaky attacks

 

[Samieldracul]

Most of those movie prop swords weigh in at a measly 8 pounds. It's why they often use two. You get a real broadsword, and it can go from 15-30 pounds depending on make an size. Double handed in game, might seem fun, but try to run like that in real life, and swing even 15 pounds in each hand for a long period of time.

It doesn't happen so often in real life for that very reason. If you get winded, you're an easy target. I can't see them putting it in game.

 

[Ilex]

You get a real broadsword, and it can go from 15-30 pounds depending on make an size.

Yea? Here are measurements for two handed sword:

The two-handed sword was a specialized and effective infantry weapon, and was recognized as such in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. Although large, measuring 60-70 in/150-175 cm overall, it was not as hefty as it looked, weighing something of the order of 5-8 lbs/2.3-3.6 kg.

or

German two-handed great sword, that this author had the privilege of exercising outdoors with, had length in excess of five feet and a weight of 7.9 pounds (3490g)

From: http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html

That would one massive broadsword.

 

[Samieldracul]

You get a real broadsword, and it can go from 15-30 pounds depending on make an size.

Yea? Here are measurements for two handed sword:

The two-handed sword was a specialized and effective infantry weapon, and was recognized as such in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. Although large, measuring 60-70 in/150-175 cm overall, it was not as hefty as it looked, weighing something of the order of 5-8 lbs/2.3-3.6 kg.

or

German two-handed great sword, that this author had the privilege of exercising outdoors with, had length in excess of five feet and a weight of 7.9 pounds (3490g)

From: http://www.thearma.org/essays/2HGS.html

That would one massive broadsword.

Then I stand corrected on weight. Either way, they would certainly get heavy carrying two. Do me a favor, go buy two, go to a field, and swing them around while running. Do this in different directions for about 20 or so minutes. Let me know how easy you feel they'd still work.

 

[Ilex]

Even running for 2 minutes is hard for me, so I can tell that it is not easy.
(Note: I never stated using 2 long weapons is a good way to fight[, for the lack of control in the off hand makes it hard to wield long weapons] I just found the weight being wrong and provided more way giving measurements and some proof to back up my text.)

 

[Samieldracul]

Even running for 2 minutes is hard for me, so I can tell that it is not easy.
(Note: I never stated using 2 long weapons is a good way to fight[, for the lack of control in the off hand makes it hard to wield long weapons] I just found the weight being wrong and provided more way giving measurements and some proof to back up my text.)

No disrespect taken. I like learning. Although I myself do own many blades, and yes, I do practice with all them, I'd never weighed them. I had heard someone tell me his broadsword was about 30 pounds, and seeing how huge the thing was, figure it sounded plausable.

Yes, I also feel the lack of control with such a long blade could get awkward. Now, you have me curious to weigh all mine. My axe is a hand in a half, feels just heavy enough where two would be awkward, but not overly heavy on it's own.

 

[Ilex]

The point of balance (if that what it is called) means a lot, not the actual weight.
I've learned a lot from these forums (taking into account that this is a game forum not medieval fighting forum). Before I thought that plate armor was a cumbersome tin can weighting 180 pounds.

 

[Ingolifs]

Centre of mass is another very important aspect of a sword. I believe the best balance is obtained when the centre of mass is just above the crossguard.

When the centre of mass is way out towards the end of the sword (or axe or hammer) it becomes much harder to wield the weapon, because not only are you dealing with the linear force of gravity pulling on it, you also have to counter the torsional force that is resulting from you not holding the weapon through the centre of mass.

 

[Don Quichot]

True, but then again what I'm really missing in this game is that with axes and hammers you can increase your swinging speed by continuesly swinging your weapon untill you either get blocked or bury your axe into someone......

 

[WipperSnipper]

I would love a "Rogue" Class that has a special ability to wield 2 short swords , or long dagger's.

Would be a good excuse to finally use throwing dagger's too.

 

[Ilex]

Beside the point that throwing daggers are the best primary throwing weapon?

 

[Jez_Wolf]

This conversation comes up very very often,

If someone can show me a place where I can store it online, I'll get a friend to video me on my digicam, and I'll personally show you how two swords can be effectively weilded at the same time,and can be used to fight two opponents with ease.

Any takers?

Jez XxX

 

[Reinhart]

True, but then again what I'm really missing in this game is that with axes and hammers you can increase your swinging speed by continuesly swinging your weapon untill you either get blocked or bury your axe into someone......

Someone who actually knows how great axes were used! Awesome. Yeah, the axe fighter's weakness was when he stopped constantly swinging his axe, once that happened he was a sitting duck.

 

[DamnedChoir]

The Vikings and Moors were often known to carry twin weapons into battle. Vikings covered in chainmail with 2 axes or Moors with two shamshirs.

I agree, it should be hard, take serious skill, and heft some serious penalties, but it should be an option.

P.S. I own longswords.

 

[Ashram]

My take on it: have left hand weapons, and add a left handed weapons skill. It should be allowed, if only for mods, imho.

 

[Saranalos]

Have you being able to weild small daggers two handed, or small clubs is good, anything else is too big, and heavy.

 

[kkriegg]

I agree with left-handed models and weapons. Maybe choose when you create your character? It wouldn't have that huge of an impact in-game, but some people just like to have things left-oriented.

 

[The Pope]

It might be impractical with the current timeframe, but it should be added so that modders can do things like katana/wakizashi, rapier/dagger and pistol/sword comboes.

PS: There was no general consensus, thats why the threads went so long .